Episode summary
Google Loses $500B in 12 Hours | DoorDash Buys Instacart for $17B | Kalshi Raises $1B
20VC
· · 1 hr 9 min · Hosts: Harry Stebbings · Guests: Jason Lemkin, Rory O’Driscoll
Summary
The episode argues that the AI trade is not necessarily “cracking,” but that it is becoming much harder to price because growth, pricing, and capital intensity are all moving at once. The host and a guest frame OpenAI’s valuation cut to $1.25TN and Alphabet’s roughly $500BN drop as examples of intense price discovery, not proof that AI demand has failed. They also point to Anthropic’s slowing quarter-over-quarter growth and falling model prices as evidence that pricing pressure is already visible, even if overall demand still looks strong.
A big theme is that AI economics are deflating faster than many expected, which is hitting consumer apps, enterprise software, and infrastructure providers in different ways. The guest says Canva looks vulnerable to quiet obsolescence, while the host argues that consumer AI agents may have very difficult unit economics. They also discuss how DoorDash buying Instacart for $17BN could make strategic sense, but that agents could still be an existential risk to delivery platforms by routing around the marketplace.
The back half turns to where venture money still works: Kalshi’s $1BN raise at a $40BN valuation, Cohere’s sovereign AI story in Canada, cyber tools that can be repurposed offensively, and the relative appeal of Serval, Cognition, and Base10. The recurring conclusion is that revenue velocity and momentum matter, but the winner in AI will be the company whose economics improve before capital runs out.
Key takeaways
- The host and guest see OpenAI’s lower valuation and Alphabet’s selloff as price discovery, not definitive evidence that the AI boom is over.
- Anthropic’s growth slowdown and lower pricing are presented as signs that model pricing pressure is already compressing AI economics.
- The guest says Canva may be heading toward quiet obsolescence as agents reduce the need for some software workflows.
- The host argues DoorDash and other app platforms face existential agentic risk because agents can bypass the platform and route directly to the underlying service.
- Kalshi’s jump to a $40BN valuation is framed as a momentum round for a business that is clearly working, even if its social utility is debated.
- The guest favors Serval over Cognition and Base10 on upside, but worries vertical AI only works if it expands TAM, not just slices existing spend.
Notable quotes
“I would dispense with the whole AI wave cracking narrative”
“it's it's it's utterly not surprising. It's it is as simple as that”
“agents are an existential risk to Door Dash because their number three competitor is is nobody”
How the episode opens
Agents are an existential risk to Door Dash because their number three competitor is Nobody. All these app platforms have a risk of slight disruption from agents. They we have Open AI's big fundrais.
Trillion price down from 1.4. Then we have the AI trade hitting a wall. Alphabet w $500 billion off the market cap overnight.
Intel falling 29%. Then we have Door Dash buying Instacart for 17 billion. This and so much more in the show today.
Calry is a money deal. If you want revenue velocity right now, nothing gives you revenue velocity like inference. Physical intelligence company with relatively little revenue is worth 20 billion.
Dropbox company with billions of revenue ain't worth a lot. It just shows revenue muzzles don't get you anywhere, right? It's all about the future.
Ready to go, boys. We are back. Luckily, there has been a huge amount happening in the last 7 days.
So, let's start with OpenAI. Its valuation got cut from 1.4 trillion to 1.25 trillion and the round reduced from 30 billion to 20 billion with only about 11 billion committed. As a result, everyone is going, "Oh no, this is further examples of the AI wave cracking.
How do we think about that? I would dispense with the whole AI wave cracking narrative. I think people are trying to extrapolate their, you know, desires, wishes, whatever, prejudice, biases on the story.
It's as simple as the other companies bigger, growing faster, profitable, and about to go public so you can buy it liquid at 1.5 to 2 trillion. What would you pay for the smaller company growing less quickly, still losing money that's illquid? Answer less than 1.5 trillion.
How much less? Well, that's what they're figuring out. So it's it's it's utterly not surprising.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- ai valuation cuts
- ai pricing and unit economics
- google alphabet market decline
- ai model pricing falling
- venture m&a in ai
Companies and tickers mentioned
- GOOGL
- GOOG
- DASH
- CRM
- BILL
- BOX
- DOCU
- OpenAI
- Alphabet
- Anthropic
- Canva
- DoorDash
- Instacart
- Kalshi
- Cohere
- Cognition
- Baseten
- Serval
- Salesforce
- Algolia
- Talkdesk
- Owner
- RevenueCat
- Saleloft
- Bill.com
- Box
- DocuSign
- WalkMe
- Physical Intelligence
- Crosby
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