Episode summary
Agentic Commerce: Why Your Wallet Is About to Change
The a16z Show
· · 51 min · Hosts: Erik Torenberg · Guests: Terry Angelos, Alex Rampell
Summary
Agentic commerce is turning AI from a recommendation layer into a purchasing layer, because agents now have “arms and legs” in the form of payment credentials. The guest argues that once agents can transact safely, they become much more useful: they can buy flowers, book services, and complete tasks end to end instead of merely suggesting options. That shift is creating what he calls the wallet wars, as consumer wallets, merchant wallets, and infrastructure providers rush to become the default conduit between agents and merchants.
The conversation focuses on VGS’s role as the neutral vault and tokenization layer behind many e-commerce transactions. The guest explains that VGS stores credentials, updates them across processors, and is now helping provision “agentic tokens” that let a verified agent spend on a user’s behalf while preserving chargebacks and merchant relationships. He contrasts open standards with the more closed “AOL” style approach, saying some merchants will welcome agents, some will resist them, and some will let their own agents compete for the customer relationship.
He also argues that the biggest changes may be in breakage-heavy businesses like subscriptions and rewards, where agent-driven purchasing could either save consumers money or force new terms and controls.
Key takeaways
- The guest says agentic commerce became materially real only when agents gained payment credentials, turning them from spectators into actors.
- The guest says VGS now sits in the middle of merchant vaulting, processor updates, and agentic token provisioning, with a few million agentic tokens per week.
- The guest argues that wallets with the broadest consumer base and merchant reach, such as Stripe Link, Shop Pay, and PayPal, are fighting to become the default agent interface.
- The guest says open standards should preserve chargebacks and follow-on purchases, unlike one-time virtual card flows that obscure the original merchant.
- The guest expects rewards, subscriptions, and other breakage-based models to change as agents start optimizing transactions on users’ behalf.
Notable quotes
“In the last 3 months, we've had this huge leap from agents being what I would call spectators to agents being actors”
“once they have access to payment credentials their utility increases. And so we sort of have kicked off what I kind of call the wallet wars”
“VGS takes PCI compliance out of scope. So you don't you basically say I can just run my business like a normal business”
“The card networks have actually come out with a new type of standard. They're called Agentic tokens”
“I think the interesting question is I think we may have plenty of opportunities or or plenty of merchants who just welcome agents”
How the episode opens
In the last 3 months, we've had this huge leap from agents being what I would call spectators to agents being actors because they effectively have arms and legs, which are payment credentials. Amazon recently blocked Muse and there are many reasons for this. You can either be antagonistic to agent commerce or you can be highly receptive.
What's happened with the rise of, you know, Muse and Instinct is once they have access to payment credentials, their utility increases. So, we sort of have kicked off what I kind of call the wallet wars where every wallet is now rushing to connect to the agents. Everybody who's listening to this podcast, I almost guarantee you have a credential that's stored at VGS.
The largest online merchants, the largest neo banks, and the largest frontier labs all use VGS to secure payment credentials. It's a really formidable position to be in. Where do you think VGS is going to go? I think we are.
Hi everyone. I'm Alex Rampel, partner at Andre and Horwitz and I'm here joined by Terry Angelos and I'm very excited about being joined by Terry because uh Terry and I started a company called Trial Pay in 2006. Um long long time ago, 20 years ago.
20 years ago. Alex looked very different.
Yes. Uh you look the same. So I I think you're insulting me and I'm complimenting you and hopefully not the other way around.
Um but today, this is the really cool part. Um, I one of my first investments here was a company called VGS, which stands for very good security. And some people might not get that that's actually a pun or a joke because one of the most famous cryptography uh companies was called PGP, which is pretty good privacy.
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Topics
- agentic commerce
- payment infrastructure
- wallet wars
- agentic tokens
- consumer protection
Companies and tickers mentioned
- AMZN
- VGS
- Stripe
- Amazon
- Muse
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