Episode summary
Is Non-Consensus Investing Overrated?
The a16z Show
· · Hosts: Erik Torenberg · Guests: Martin Casado, Leo Polovets
Summary
The host and two guests debate whether “non-consensus” investing is actually a source of edge or mostly a risky slogan. One guest argues the tweet that sparked the discussion was really a warning that ignoring consensus can be dangerous, because early markets are more efficient than many VCs admit and founders still need follow-on capital. The other guest agrees that companies must eventually reach consensus, but says many of his best investments started outside it and then earned their way in.
A central point is that the right unit of analysis is not one hot deal, but the whole basket. The guests argue that some “non-consensus” rounds are simply the market correctly pricing a company that later looks obvious, while other cases are overpriced hype that never deserved the attention. They also discuss how big rounds and higher valuations can be both a founder advantage and a source of fragility if companies raise too much too early.
The conversation widens into fund mechanics, market cycles, and AI. They argue that venture may be getting more efficient overall, but hot sectors can still create bubbles and capital starvation elsewhere. The guests end up close in view: the best companies often look non-consensus at the product level, but investors still have to respect capital markets, fund size, and the probability of future follow-on support.
Key takeaways
- One guest argues that being blind to consensus is dangerous because early-stage companies still depend on future capital and market signaling.
- The other guest says his best investments often started as non-consensus rounds and only worked because they later became consensus enough to raise again.
- Both guests think the more important question is basket-level outcomes, not whether one famous company was or was not a hot round.
- They agree that many company failures come from “indigestion,” meaning too much money raised too easily, rather than starvation.
- The conversation suggests venture is getting more efficient overall, but hot sectors like AI can still misprice both winners and losers.
Notable quotes
“It's dangerous to do non-consensus investing. Like that's a dangerous idea. If you're alone in your view, you may just be missing something”
“Most companies fail from indigestion, not starvation”
“I think we need to be very careful not to conflate a company having a hard round with market consensus”
“the faster the and higher the up round, the more you should invest because it's like, you know, working”
How the episode opens
It's dangerous to do non-consensus investing. Like that's a dangerous idea. If you're alone in your view, you may just be missing something.
Eventually, you have to get to consensus. If you're dependent on capital markets, it's very hard to keep the company alive if nobody wants to fund it. Peter Till once had a line which was like the faster the and higher the up round, the more you should invest because it's like, you know, working.
Most companies fail from indigestion, not starvation. So Martin, it looks like uh you've helped uh spark a little bit of an existential crisis on venture Twitter um on BC and I thought we'd uh we'd all come here to to talk about it. Great.
Super nice to excited to be here. What why don't we recap Martine from from your perspective? Um what what were you saying in that tweet?
What were you trying to say in that tweet? Then we can get into the great back and forth that you you and Neo had and get into the conversation. So, let me paraphrase the the tweet.
The paraphrase version of the tweet is um it's dangerous to do non-consensus investing. Like that's a dangerous idea. The impetus of the tweet, which by the way wasn't well thought out, which I think a lot of the viral tweets happen to be not well thought out, is you know this I've been an investor for 10 years.
I've done almost 200 investments, you know, either as like, you know, running the fund or being directly involved. Um, and it seems being blinkered to how VCs view companies is is actually quite dangerous because you're so dependent on follow on capital and actually it reminds me a lot of being an academic. You know, I used to write a lot of papers and like you do all of this great research, but when you wrote the paper, if you didn't actually think about how the program committee would view it, like it wouldn't get accepted, right?
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Topics
- non-consensus investing
- venture returns
- investor consensus
- market efficiency
- founder fundraising
Companies and tickers mentioned
- a16z
- Humba Ventures
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