Episode summary
Adam Foroughi, Applovin CEO: Surviving a 92% Drawdown, Ads as ML 1.0 & the $50B Game Ad Market
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· · 24 min · Hosts: David Sacks, Jason Calacanis, Chamath Palihapitiya, David Friedberg · Guests: Adam Foroughi
Summary
Adam Foroughi framed AppLovin as an advertising company built around mobile games, arguing that the opportunity is much larger than most investors realize. He said the mobile gaming ecosystem now represents roughly $50 billion of annual ad spend, and that the business has shifted from using ads to drive game-to-game engagement toward using deep learning to create shopper discovery and commerce intent. He also argued that advertising is effectively “ML 1.0,” because the same predictive techniques now powering AI were first proven in ad systems.
A major theme was the company’s extreme IPO-to-crash-to-recovery cycle. Foroughi said AppLovin went public in April 2021 at about a $28 billion market cap, fell to roughly $3.8 billion in 2022, and then recovered after the company stopped focusing on external investors and instead bought back stock aggressively. He said AppLovin repurchased about $6 billion of shares and retired 20% to 25% of the float, while the business kept compounding and eventually re-rated as performance improved.
He pushed back on the idea that privacy changes or agentic commerce will erase the business. Foroughi argued that consumers still want discovery, comparison, and the dopamine hit of shopping, while agents mainly help with routine replenishment. He said AppLovin’s edge comes from staying lean, using differentiated data, and moving faster than giants like Meta and Alphabet, while keeping engineering hubs in Palo Alto, Beijing, and Singapore.
Key takeaways
- Foroughi said mobile gaming represents about $50 billion of annual ad spend, and AppLovin’s platform has grown to roughly $20 billion of spend on its own system.
- He argued that advertising is “ML 1.0,” with ad-tech prediction systems forming the foundation for later AI and recommendation-model progress.
- Foroughi said AppLovin bought back roughly $6 billion of stock after its post-IPO collapse, retiring 20% to 25% of shares outstanding.
- He believes privacy changes hurt precision targeting but not the core discovery ad model, because consumers still want relevant ads and product discovery.
- Foroughi said AppLovin’s moat comes from staying lean, algorithmically focused, and fast-moving against larger rivals.
- He thinks agentic commerce will matter for routine purchases, but most shoppers still prefer to browse, compare, and transact themselves.
Notable quotes
“There's an ad platform hiding inside 100,000 mobile games and is quietly outperforming Facebook ads for e-commerce brands”
“what we are ultimately is an advertising company that's helping mobile game developers monetize that space”
“advertising is like ML 1.0 but really was the first implementation of all these technologies that now are are driving AI today”
“So we kicked off a super aggressive buyback program. And in over the since then, I think we bought roughly $6 billion of the company's stock”
“the reality is part of the world will start using things like agents to optimize per certain shopper behavior that's consistent”
How the episode opens
Adam is probably the best founder no one's ever heard of. There's an ad platform hiding inside 100,000 mobile games and is quietly outperforming Facebook ads for e-commerce brands. Of all those thousand plus IPOs, the number one most valuable is AppL. Appe. The founder mentality has got to be Chase winning.
They're going to print something like $6 billion in cash this year. — In a world where things don't make sense, people think you're cheating. instead of realizing you built one of the cooler technologies the world's ever seen. — Please welcome Adam Farugi.
All right. Welcome, Adam. Hey, man. — Big man. — How you doing, bro? Good to see you. Likewise.
Adam, thanks for being here. Um, we thought it'd be really great to chat because a lot of people don't talk as much about you're not in the headlines all the time with your business. You're operating your business almost like absent media.
You don't do a lot of press. You don't get out there a lot talking about the company, but it's such an incredible business. Can you just tell the audience kind of what Apploving is and maybe also frame up the market a little bit for us?
Yeah, totally. I I think the the fact that we were able to build a very big company without having VC funding at the early stage created this world where we just had to build quietly and and then obviously the goofy name didn't help us all that much as well. But what we are ultimately is an advertising company that's helping mobile game developers monetize that space.
Now what people don't realize is just how big the mobile gaming universe has become. You've got over a billion people a day playing mobile casual games.
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Topics
- 92% drawdown
- ads as ml 1.0
- privacy rules
- agents and shopping
- game ad market
Companies and tickers mentioned
- APP
- AAPL
- Applovin
- Apple
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