Episode summary
Dan Loeb: The Lost Art of Short Selling, and Why Stock Picking is Back
All-In Podcast
· · Hosts: Chamath Palihapitiya, Jason Calacanis, David Sacks, David Friedberg · Guests: Dan Loeb
Summary
Dan Loeb argued that investing has become more demanding and more selective, with short selling returning as a critical skill and stock picking once again mattering across equities, credit, and even bond markets. He said the old era when investors could ignore technology or macro trends is over, because AI, innovation, and business quality now shape almost every pool of capital.
He traced his path from anonymous chat boards and early trolling on the internet to building Third Point into a roughly $30 billion platform. Loeb described how the firm evolved from an event-driven shop focused on takeovers, spin-offs, distressed debt, and arbitrage into a broader business that emphasizes moats, management quality, and thematic investing. He also said his team remains active on the short side, pointing to homebuilders as an example of a structural short built on land commitments, pricing pressure, and post-COVID distortions.
Loeb also made the case that human judgment still matters even as AI expands. He said the role of the investor is increasingly about relationships, discernment, and understanding management teams, while systems and data are tools rather than replacements. The conversation ended with his philanthropy, especially criminal justice reform, including his role in pushing for Ross Ulbricht’s pardon.
Key takeaways
- Dan Loeb said short selling is back and investors must be highly selective because this is now a bond and credit pickers market as much as a stock pickers market.
- Third Point has shifted from pure event-driven investing toward quality, defensibility, and AI-aware thematic investing, while still keeping event-driven tools in the framework.
- Loeb said the firm found a strong short idea in homebuilders because of land commitments, inflated post-COVID pricing, and a weaker financing environment.
- He argued that management quality is still subjective and best judged through pattern recognition built over decades, not a simple rubric.
- Loeb said Nvidia remains undervalued on his view of earnings over the next two or three years, despite its enormous size and the market’s tendency to treat it as capped.
Notable quotes
“The lost art of shortselling has come back and it's absolutely critical”
“Doesn't matter what you do, you have to be really selective”
“People talk about stock pickers market. This is a bond and credit pickers market”
“the human element. I think this is true for everyone you have here like the the element of uh the social component”
How the episode opens
Legendary activist investor Dan Lope. He of course is the CEO and CIO of Third Point. — The lost art of shortselling has come back and it's absolutely critical. — Doesn't matter what you do, you have to be really selective. People talk about stock pickers market. This is a bond and credit pickers market.
When we were small, our main tool was a shame and humor. Dan Loe turning up the heat on Nestle over the weekend. The shift has really been more towards a dare to be great message. Activism without proxy contest is like Catholicism without hell.
You're very active on the Twitter as well. — Oh wow. — You found your voice. — Lot a lot of emotion brewing there. — Can we actually start with that? Before Twitter, you were actually quite active, but they were in very different places. I mean, you were in Wall Street Bets before Wall Street Bets existed. Can you just walk us through your evolution as a as a uh public persona?
Sure. I mean, there was this brand new technology uh that came out called the internet. And really shortly that thereafter uh long before Reddit or any of these other things, there were a series of of chat boards.
There was, you know, Yahoo, there was something called Silicon Investor, um a few other ones. And people would congregate in kibbitz. It was done mostly anonymously and um it was an interesting place to exchange ideas.
There was it was it was really the wild west. People could pretty much say or do anything, but there was a lot of but there was a lot of substance there too. It's not actually that much different than from today.
You uh did you engage at all in any trolling per se?
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- short selling
- stock picking
- ai and quality investing
- event-driven investing
- criminal justice reform
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Third Point
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