Episode summary
Everywhere Millionaires | Animal Spirits 481
Animal Spirits
· · 1 hr 5 min · Hosts: Michael Batnick, Ben Carlson
Summary
The hosts argue that the long bull market has reshaped everything from corporate scale to investor psychology. They say the pool of capital is so deep that trillion-dollar companies are now ordinary, AI spending is crowding out other investment, and the resulting buildout is helping explain higher bond yields and weaker private construction outside data centers. They also argue that another recession is likely at some point, and possibly another financial crisis, but that the system still has not become “stupid enough” to trigger one yet.
A major theme is that the market is still producing strong earnings even as valuations look stretched. The hosts cite rising earnings estimates, unusually low dividend yields, and the idea that stocks are now relatively less attractive versus bonds than they were for much of the past decade. They frame that as a better problem for investors, not a worse one, because fixed income finally pays again.
They also push back on the gloomy narratives around college and social mobility. The hosts say college still improves employment prospects, while the bigger issue is that many smaller schools are likely to struggle because the number of 18-year-olds is falling. They close by noting that the American Dream is still alive in examples of self-made millionaires, even if AI and wealth concentration are changing the rules around how people start businesses and access opportunities.
Key takeaways
- The hosts think AI is crowding out other spending, including government debt demand and private construction outside data centers.
- They argue that higher rates are a feature, not a bug, because bonds now offer real income and better alternatives to stocks.
- The hosts say another recession is likely eventually, but a full financial crisis may require even more excess than the current cycle has produced.
- They argue college still has clear labor-market value, even though tuition inflation has made the economics worse for students.
- The Wall Street Journal’s “everywhere millionaires” framing reinforces their view that wealth creation is still broad-based and not limited to elite institutions.
Notable quotes
“the pool of capital is so deep and vast that it has changed everything”
“I think that we've actually kind of put a cap on ourselves for being stupid and it's the White House that's doing it”
“Valuations are feelings”
“the market has put a governor on forward multiples. I love that there is disbelief because this does set up the wall of worry which we need”
“the number of 18-year-olds falls off a cliff”
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Our full disclaimer is available at cmegroup.com/disclaimer. Welcome to Animal Spurs with Michael and Ben. Um I have have some thoughts to open the show.
It's been a uh sort of a quiet period at least the last week alone. Feel like the DACA is a little bit light this week. Um, there's obviously a million bajillion things happening, but it was a slowish Newsweek, so I have some things that I want to talk about.
But actually, you know what? Before we get there, you've got a mustache.
Are you Is you look like a You look like a Ron Jeremy circa 1977 without the ponytail. What's going on? — I I did this for you. I I Let's Let's just marinate it for a while. I'm going to save it for the end of the show and give you a but I just so you know I could have shaved this off but I wanted to keep it for you.
For me. All right. Well, consider me intrigued, Ben. Um All right. So, I was talking about this on TAFF with with Josh and Dan Skellyy and I know everybody knows this, but I feel like we don't talk about it enough.
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Topics
- bull market gains
- ai investment crowding
- next financial crisis timing
- earnings boom
- bond buying opportunity
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