Episode summary
How Many People Make $100,000? | Animal Spirits 430
Animal Spirits
· · Hosts: Michael Batnick, Ben Carlson
Summary
The hosts spend much of the episode on the gap between gloomy sentiment and strong market data. They argue that the stock market is still behaving like a late-cycle bull market, even with weak labor headlines, because large, high-income, and retired households are carrying a bigger share of spending. They point to record-high equity allocations, resilient consumer commentary from major companies, and an economy where profits and margins still look firmer than the usual recession script.
A major theme is AI’s effect on markets, especially Oracle’s surge on a huge OpenAI-related contract. The hosts see that as evidence that AI capital spending is real, but also as a sign that bubble risk is rising. They also note that Google has held up better than the “ChatGPT kills search” narrative suggested, while gold, Bitcoin, and equities have all risen together in a strange market mix.
They also push back on the idea that fewer IPOs are starving small caps, arguing that IPOs have historically been poor investments and that many winners graduate out of small-cap indexes quickly anyway. On real estate, they say lower rates could unlock more housing turnover, especially in the Midwest, and that moving itself remains a meaningful economic stimulus.
Key takeaways
- The hosts think the market is still digesting strong earnings and spending data, not pricing in a broad recession.
- They argue that high-income Americans and retirees are driving a larger share of consumption, which weakens the labor market’s influence on the economy.
- They view Oracle’s OpenAI deal as proof that AI spending is real, but also as a potential bubble warning.
- They say IPO scarcity is overstated because IPOs have historically underperformed and often leave small-cap indexes quickly.
- They see housing activity as a possible shock absorber if rates keep falling, especially in the Midwest.
Notable quotes
“Interestingly, when the S&P 500 records a four-month winning streak that closes at a new all-time high, it's continued nine and 10 months later, 18 times in a row”
“there is no sign that rising tariff costs and labor shortages are squeezing profit margins. We have to conclude that productivity growth must be strong”
“Open AAI is a money- losing startup that disclosed in June it was generating roughly $10 billion in annual revenue”
“IPOs are terrible investments as a whole. You take the group of IPOs and I thought man why didn't I ever think of this”
“high income Americans are are behind roughly half of all US consumer spending up from about a third in the early 1990s”
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Invesco Distributors, Inc. Welcome to Animal Spirits with Michael and Ben. Michael, we did a live future proof show last week, so let's do a future proof recap.
Uh sometimes investing based on your gut most of the time is not a good idea, right? I think we can agree on that. If if you're just investing based on how you feel, a lot of times you're going to be wrong.
Uh going into future proof last week, there was a time, I'd say it was like a half hour period where you and I kind of thought like, oh no, what if this thing in year four loses its luster? No. Oh no, no, no, no, no.
There was no Oh, no.
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Topics
- income inequality
- stock market vs labor market
- ai and markets
- housing prices
- gold vs ai
Companies and tickers mentioned
- GOOGL
- GOOG
- ChatGPT
- Gold
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