Episode summary
Say Bubble One More Time. I Dare You! | Animal Spirits 474
Animal Spirits
· · 1 hr 18 min · Hosts: Michael Batnick, Ben Carlson
Summary
The hosts argue that the market is looking more normal than dramatic, even as pockets of tech and speculative names have been crushed. They note the S&P 500 is only about 2% off highs, while names like Oracle, Ethereum, Bitcoin, Netflix, SpaceX, Intel, and DRAM have suffered steep drawdowns, creating what they see as a sharp separation between winners and losers. They also point out that the broader market is still healthy, with 66% of stocks positive year to date and a median return of 12.6%.
They push back on the idea that the current environment is a stock market bubble, saying valuations in semis and the broader market have already compressed. Their view is that the bigger story is not excess valuation everywhere, but a normalizing market that is punishing anything that stops working while rewarding what still does. They also argue that the U.S. economy has become more resilient, with fewer recessions, partly because policy makers, technology, and a more mature service-based economy have reduced the frequency and severity of downturns.
The episode also covers investor behavior in South Korea, the persistence of retail dip-buying, the changing role of housing for younger buyers, and the weird economics of streaming and AI. The hosts say boomers are not downsizing as expected, which keeps housing tight, while younger households may increasingly treat stocks as the main investment instead of homes. They end by saying Netflix, despite its decline, still has a real business, but the content race remains a difficult treadmill.
Key takeaways
- The hosts say the S&P 500 is only about 2% off highs, but many individual tech and speculative names are in deep drawdowns.
- The host argues this is not a broad market bubble because valuations in semis and the wider market have already compressed.
- The hosts say U.S. recessions have become less frequent and shorter because the economy is more mature and policy makers intervene faster.
- The hosts think retail investors are still buying the dip aggressively, even as money rotates out of the biggest AI winners.
- The hosts say boomers are not downsizing as expected, which keeps housing supply tight and reinforces housing as a wealth store for older owners.
Notable quotes
“There is a violent separation. You know the phrase money goes to where it's treated best”
“I don't see a bubble in the stock market. And if people say, "Well, um, uh, the earnings aren't sustainable”
“We don't have recessions anymore as much as we used to”
“The stock market save the stock market saved the economy”
“I just think if you live in the Bay Area or you you are a tech worker, your life is very weird right now”
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Welcome to Animal Spirits with Michael and Ben. All right, Michael. The S&P 500 as of this recording is down about 2% from the all-time highs.
That's obviously nothing. You can't call that anything. That's that's it happened. — But there are a ton of stocks that are like having a blood bath right now. We've talked a lot about stocks that have been going up, all the semiconductors, and I guess some of those have come in, but there there's a huge blood bath right now.
Can I ask you Yes. — 5% pullback, 10% correction, 20% bare market. — Yes. Do we want to give the 2% a name? — Hiccup. — Uh, stubbed toe. It's like when you stub your toe. Is that fair? — Yeah. Stinks for a second.
So, I want I want you to go bottom fishing with me here.
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Topics
- tech stock drawdowns
- investor behavior
- economy and recessions
- stocks vs housing
- streaming entertainment
Companies and tickers mentioned
- NKE
- NFLX
- UTZ
- YUM
- Nike
- Netflix
- StubHub
- Utz
- KFC
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