Episode summary
There Are Too Many Rich People | Animal Spirits 421
Animal Spirits
· · Hosts: Michael Batnick, Ben Carlson
Summary
The hosts argue that the market is in a “nervous rally” rather than a euphoric one: prices are making new highs, but investors remain cautious, with Schwab clients still selling technology and AI names even as the S&P 500 keeps advancing. They frame this as classic bull-market behavior, where rallies keep running because sidelined investors are not fully back in yet.
A big throughline is that corporate America remains exceptional even if the broader U.S. feels less so. They point to $1.67 trillion returned to shareholders through buybacks and dividends over the last 12 months, ongoing productivity gains since COVID, and the idea that stocks often bottom before the economy or headlines improve. They also argue that fixed income is having its worst decade ever on a real basis, even if many bondholders are less alarmed now because yields are higher.
The episode circles back repeatedly to the idea that there are simply more rich people than before, and that wealth is becoming crowded. The hosts cite high-income families squeezed by college costs, booming real estate demand, and the growing mass of upper-middle-class households that make expensive travel, housing, and private amenities feel more congested. On AI and crypto, they are more measured: AI may help users who adopt it fastest, while Bitcoin’s rise is now so large that people have grown numb to its scale.
Key takeaways
- The hosts say the market’s advance looks like a nervous rally, with Schwab clients still net sellers of technology even as indexes hit record highs.
- They argue that U.S. corporations remain exceptional, returning $1.67 trillion to shareholders in buybacks and dividends over the last 12 months.
- The hosts say real bond returns this decade are worse than any other decade in their historical comparison, even if higher yields have softened the pain for some investors.
- They think stocks usually bottom before the news turns, which makes both market bottoms and tops hard to call using fundamentals alone.
- They argue that the upper middle class is getting too crowded, making everything from college to airports to resorts feel more expensive and congested.
Notable quotes
“As the S&P 500 index set new record highs in June and climbed more than 5%. Schwab clients gingerly dip their toes in the water but stayed cautious”
“The US isn't exceptional, but corporate America might be”
“it just keeps going up and to the right much like the stock market”
“There's not another decade that comes close to being as bad as this”
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That's right. Summer of Michael. Welcome to Animal Spirits with Michael and Ben.
Michael, every week you and I do a lot of preparation for the show by filling a Google doc as as regular listeners know. How many pages we have this week? 29.
Kind of like 29. Okay. But sometimes it's just like a buffet of of anecdotes and articles and charts and it's just a jumbled mess and we kind of just jump from topic to topic.
And there's a little bit of that this week.
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Topics
- stock market rally
- corporate exceptionalism
- bond market losses
- upper middle class
- private equity vs youth sports
Companies and tickers mentioned
- AAPL
- META
- Apple
- Meta
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