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Dylan Jovine | The End of Dollar Dominance? China’s Gold-Backed Strategy

Behind The Markets Podcast · · 6 min · Hosts: Dylan Jovine

Dylan Jovine | The End of Dollar Dominance? China’s Gold-Backed Strategy – Behind The Markets Podcast

Summary

Dylan Jovine argues that China’s push for the yuan, or renminbi, to become a global reserve currency is part of a longer campaign to challenge dollar dominance. He says his team warned in 2022 that China was buying large amounts of gold and laying the groundwork for a rival currency, and he frames current developments as a validation of that call.

He links Beijing’s posture to a wider geopolitical shift, saying U.S. disruption has pushed allies such as Canada and the UK toward China. In his view, that creates the opening for Xi Jinping to press a new reserve-currency agenda at the right moment, after world leaders have started cutting deals in Beijing.

Jovine says losing reserve-currency status would be a severe macro shock. He argues it would make U.S. recessions deeper, raise borrowing costs across the economy, and reduce the ability of the United States to finance deficits cheaply, making the change “worse than losing any war.”

Key takeaways

  • Dylan Jovine says China’s call for the yuan to become a global reserve currency confirms a warning he made in 2022 about gold buying and dollar challenge risk.
  • Jovine argues that central banks hoarding gold and talk of a gold-backed rival currency fit a long historical pattern of rising powers challenging incumbents.
  • He says U.S. foreign-policy disruption is pushing allies toward Beijing, which gives China more leverage to promote a new reserve currency.
  • Jovine warns that if the dollar loses reserve-currency status, interest rates, mortgages, credit-card payments, and recession severity would all worsen.
  • He cites Sam Zell’s view that losing the dollar’s reserve status would be “worse than losing any war.”

Notable quotes

“I've been reading about Chinese President Xiinping's calls for its currency, the yuan or the renmi, to become a global reserve currency”

— Dylan Jovine at 0:07

“we released a research report called China attacks the US dollar and we warned that China was buying massive amounts of gold”

— Dylan Jovine at 1:09

“we predicted central banks would for hoard gold. We predicted there'd be a gold back rival to the dollar”

— Dylan Jovine at 2:21

“If the dollar is not the world's reserve currency, that's going to change”

— Dylan Jovine at 5:40

“Loing the dollar as the world's reserve currency would be worse than losing any war”

— Dylan Jovine at 5:02

How the episode opens

Good morning. This is Dylan Joven with Behind the Markets. Happy Tuesday.

Today is Tuesday, February 3rd. And overnight, I've been reading about Chinese President Xiinping's calls for its currency, the yuan or the renmi, to become a global reserve currency. They have called for that.

They are pushing to make their currency, the yuan that we've talked about here, a global reserve currency. And it's interesting of all the predictions I've made in my life in 2008 when the experts 2006 2007 when the experts said the housing market was strong and calling that bubble bursting in 2020 when the world was panicking over COVID watching that whole thing you know really calling a snapback rally in real with the massive rush of liquidity the Fed was pumping in it was clear to me that we would see prices increase but I'll tell you something I think my most important prediction might have happened in 202 22 and that's when those of you who've been around for a while remember since then that we released a research report called China attacks the US dollar and we warned that China was buying massive amounts of gold. They had become the largest buyer of gold.

They were cleaning out everybody there and they would use it to among other things create a global currency and launch basically a new currency that would dethrone the dollar. And here we are. You know, I remember at the time a lot of my friends who work at big Wall Street firms laughed.

They called it doomongering. They said that US dollar was invincible. But you know, like most of people, they might be good at trading, but they never read history.

You know, history is like our secret weapon. We see how humans behave in all scenarios.

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Topics

  • dollar dominance
  • yuan reserve currency
  • central bank gold buying
  • u.s. foreign policy disruptions
  • interest rates and recession risks

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