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Dylan Jovine | The Golden Era for Gold: J.P. Morgan

Behind The Markets Podcast · · Hosts: Dylan Jovine

Dylan Jovine | The Golden Era for Gold: J.P. Morgan – Behind The Markets Podcast

Summary

JP Morgan’s call for a “golden era for gold” is framed as a question of whether the metal can keep climbing toward levels like 6,300, with Bank of America and others cited as even more bullish. Dylan Jovine argues the answer comes down to supply and demand, but says gold’s demand is unusually stable because it is split among jewelry, industrial use, and investment or reserve management.

He says jewelry makes up about 50% of annual gold demand, especially in India and China, while roughly 10% goes to industrial and technology uses such as electronics, aerospace, and dentistry. The bigger story, in his view, is central banks: he says their gold holdings have doubled since 2000 and their share of gold has risen from 22.1% to 46.5% by 2025.

Jovine ties the surge in central bank buying to 2022, when the U.S. froze Russia’s dollar reserves. He argues that move changed global reserve management, accelerated hedging away from the U.S. dollar, and pushed annual central bank buying from about 400 metric tons in 2021 to 800 to 1,100 metric tons since then. He says that trend should continue until there is more fiscal discipline and policy certainty.

Key takeaways

  • Dylan Jovine says gold demand is unusually durable because about 50% comes from jewelry, 10% from industrial uses, and the rest from investment and reserve management.
  • He says central banks have doubled their gold holdings since 2000, with their share of all gold rising from 22.1% to 46.5% by 2025.
  • Jovine argues the 2022 freezing of Russia’s dollar reserves pushed central banks to hedge away from the U.S. dollar and into gold.
  • He says annual central bank gold buying rose from about 400 metric tons in 2021 to 800 to 1,100 metric tons after 2022.
  • Jovine expects the gold-buying trend to persist until fiscal discipline and policy certainty improve in the U.S.

Notable quotes

“JP Morgan out with a note saying golden era for gold. Is it a golden era for gold”

— Dylan Jovine at 1:13

“golden era for gold? And in their note, they talk about really 6,300 and their intermediate term”

— Dylan Jovine at 1:19

“believe it or not, jewelry consumption accounts for about 50% of total annual consumption of gold”

— Dylan Jovine at 2:18

“In 2021, they were buying an average of 400 metric tonses a year”

— Dylan Jovine at 5:28

How the episode opens

Good morning. This is Dylan Joano with Behind the Markets. Happy Monday.

Today is Monday, February 23rd. Wow. This is the last full week of the month.

These short months are, you know, always a challenge. So, I wanted to I wasn't able to get into the office Friday because the construction still happening around here making a lot of noise and lots of smells and all the things. But I did want to thank everyone who joined us on our webinar on Thursday.

It was a great success. And the best part about it was you guys are so plugged into the AI fuel story, whether it's gas, power plants, nuclear, geothermal. We heard so many great questions from you and I'm grateful for that.

And we've added a surprise new pick to that. So, if you haven't gotten that special report, I encourage you to do so. It's a company that actually makes picks and shovels basically for the nuclear industry.

So, their business is doing well. They're in a dominant position. Great company, great story.

Today I'd like to talk about JP Morgan out with a note saying golden era for gold. Is it a golden era for gold? And in their note, they talk about really 6,300 and their intermediate term.

And Bank of America and other firms have come out with raising their prices on gold 6,300 7,000. I've even seen as high as 8,000 from some credible folks. And what is really driving the price of gold here?

There's a bunch of things driving the price of gold, but all commodity prices like all prices in general are driven by supply and demand. Obviously, demand for gold is actually driven by three things and it's been very very stable over many many years and that really sets it apart from other commodities generally speaking and there are three main sources that drive demand for gold and I have some numbers here.

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Topics

  • gold price outlook
  • central bank gold purchases
  • u.s. fiscal and debt concerns
  • dollar reserve diversification
  • commodity supply and demand

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • JPM
  • BAC
  • J.P. Morgan
  • Bank of America

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