Episode summary
Everyone's Chasing Nuclear While Geothermal Quietly Wins the Math
Summary
The host argues that China’s new open-source AI model underscores a national security race, because advanced models can expose vulnerabilities across banking, insurance, energy, and even nuclear code. He frames AI as a five-layer stack—chips, infrastructure, models, applications, and, at the foundation, energy—and says the real investment edge may be found in the bottom layer rather than the obvious AI names.
His main claim is that geothermal energy is the more attractive clean-power solution for AI than nuclear. He says geothermal offers low emissions, reliable baseload power, a small land footprint, long operating life, and low running costs after the initial drilling. The host also argues that geothermal can be deployed more flexibly than a nuclear plant and can serve uses beyond electricity, including heating buildings, greenhouses, aquaculture, and industrial processes.
He says the math favors geothermal: a good site costs $4,000 to $5,000 per kilowatt, versus about $8,000 per kilowatt for a real-world nuclear build. He adds that a 50-MW geothermal plant can cost about $200 million and be staged in increments, while a single nuclear reactor can cost $14 billion and take 7 to 10 years, making it an expensive and slower bet.
Key takeaways
- The host says China’s free AI model makes AI a national security race, not just a portfolio story.
- He argues the AI stack’s foundation layer is energy, and that investors are staring at the wrong part of the stack.
- The host says geothermal beats nuclear on cost, citing $4,000 to $5,000 per kilowatt versus about $8,000 per kilowatt for nuclear.
- He says a 50-MW geothermal plant can cost about $200 million and be built in stages, while a nuclear reactor can cost $14 billion and take 7 to 10 years.
- The host claims geothermal is cleaner, more reliable, and more scalable than the nuclear option people keep promoting.
Notable quotes
“this is a national security race. And to illustrate how important that now is to us as a country”
“every great technology revolution in history is also an energy revolution”
“the math tells a bit of a different story”
“I have not seen a solution that could be at scale, as clean, as reliable, and as cost-efficient as the one staring us right in the face”
How the episode opens
Good morning. This is Dylan Jovine with Behind the Markets. Happy Wednesday.
Today is Wednesday, July 1st. Welcome to July. We've made it to another July together.
Today, I'd like to talk about recent news that China has released a model, a free model, basically, open-source model that is apparently as good as Anthropic's advanced Mythos, which you might remember 2 months ago was released, caused quite a stir because basically it was able to unmask security flaws across all types of things, banking, insurance applications, energy, nuclear power plants. Basically, that model could basically look in any application and find the flaws in the code, basically handing a gift to hackers, all those lovely international hackers. Well, China has an open-source model that basically has caught up to that.
So, it really puts it in sharp relief that this is a national security race. And to illustrate how important that now is to us as a country, even more than investors, believe me. I go broke easily tomorrow, give all the money away just to make America great for another 250 years for my kids and my grandkids.
That wouldn't even be a hard decision, actually. That would be an easy decision. I just walk around like a monk, like Caine from Kung Fu.
Um anyway, the country that grabs the technology lead basically has a big advantage. I mean, look at what we did after the Industrial Revolution. I mean, we grabbed that lead and it compounds really over time and it puts you in an unassailable position.
So, remember, AI, you can't consider our competitive position vis-à-vis China without thinking of the five-layer stack, the AI stack. Think of it like a five-layer cake. You have one, chips, you know, GPUs, CPUs, Nvidia, Intel, ARM, all those guys.
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Topics
- china ai model
- ai national security
- nuclear vs geothermal costs
- energy policy permitting
- ai energy stack
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Anthropic
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