Episode summary
The Hidden Pricing War That Could Turn Llms Into Utilities
Summary
Tech stocks have become vulnerable after a long rally, with the host arguing that stretched valuations, worries about higher rates and a new Fed chair, and the scale of AI spending are combining to drive sharp reversals. He says this kind of boom-and-bust pattern has repeated across sectors like biotech, crypto, marijuana, real estate, and banking, and that the recent Nasdaq drop fits the same playbook of overhyped capital spending and weak near-term returns.
He distinguishes between core holdings he is “married” to and speculative names he is merely “dating.” The core positions, he says, earn high returns on capital, enjoy durable competitive advantages, and are bought only at good prices. By contrast, Micron is an example of a trade he likes for its earnings growth but would not yet commit to because it is unclear whether the demand boom is durable or simply a one- or two-year cycle.
The biggest issue, he argues, is a pricing war in AI. If Microsoft, Google, Apple and other “eyeball” platforms let users choose among LLMs and shop on price, then OpenAI, Claude and other model makers could become commoditized like utilities. If that happens, LLM margins and returns on capital could fall, raising doubts about whether the huge spending on data centers is really justified.
Key takeaways
- The host says the Nasdaq’s recent weakness reflects stretched valuations and fears that AI capex will not earn returns fast enough.
- He favors businesses with 20% to 30% returns on capital and durable advantages that can last five to 20 years.
- Micron looks attractive on earnings growth, but the host says he is not ready to “marry” it until the AI demand cycle proves durable.
- The host sees a pricing war in AI, where Microsoft, Google and Apple may pressure LLMs into commodity-like utility margins.
- If the platform companies win, the host says OpenAI and Claude could face lower pricing power and weaker returns on capital despite massive data-center spending.
Notable quotes
“the great rally in tech has left them open to sharp reversals as we are seeing and as we've seen and as I've seen many, many, many times”
“bad investments, overhyped money. This is the hallmark of every tech bull market”
“for every thousand dollars they invest in their business, they get 200 300 dollars back, 20 30%. Okay”
“Is this a one-time, one-year, two-year thing? Or are they going to add capacity? That is not clear yet”
“then the money at LLMs profit margins start to go down and they become commoditized like utilities”
How the episode opens
Morning. This is Don behind the markets. Happy Thursday.
Today is Thursday, June 25th and today I'd like to talk about tech stocks. You know, the great rally in tech has left them open to sharp reversals as we are seeing and as we've seen and as I've seen many, many, many times in many, many different sectors repeat over and over again during my career. In tech, in biotech, in crypto, in marijuana.
I mean, you name the sector, real estate, banking. You name the sector and you see stretched valuations going crazy and folks are worried about a few things. You know, there were higher rates or you know, are we going to see higher rates?
Is the new Fed chairman going to raise rates? That obviously, will you know, bring the stock market down. Valuations on these stocks have become stretched.
You know, we've taken the opportunity to sell into some of these stretched valuations and the prospect that it's going to be a whole lot more money spent on this AI build-out that doesn't really justify the actual return, the profit that these spenders make over time or you know, I mean, instead of making a return on your money in three years or five years, they're afraid that some companies are going to you know, make investments that it takes 20 years to make a return on. You know, bad investments, overhyped money. This is the hallmark of every tech bull market.
I mean, it is the hallmark of everything from top to bottom forever and that is what sent the Nasdaq down in the past few days and look, guys, you know, you know this. Surging stocks can get hammered. They can turn around real quick and I'll tell you something.
I was thinking about this the other day.
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Topics
- llm pricing war
- ai commoditization
- data center spending
- fed rates uncertainty
- tech valuation reversals
Companies and tickers mentioned
- MU
- MSFT
- AAPL
- GOOGL
- GOOG
- Micron Technology
- Microsoft
- Apple
- OpenAI
- Anthropic
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