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What the Latest Data Says About Where Markets Head Next

Behind The Markets Podcast · · Hosts: Dylan Grice

What the Latest Data Says About Where Markets Head Next – Behind The Markets Podcast

Summary

Dylan Grice argues that the bull market is still intact because the core driver, in his view, is a manufacturing boom powered by AI spending. He says the latest data suggest the AI buildout is not a small theme but a historic capital surge, citing comparisons with canal mania, railway mania, the roaring 20s, and the dotcom era. On his reading, the AI boom is moving faster than prior booms and is already visible in software, computers, communication equipment, data centers, and related infrastructure spending.

He says Commerce Department data imply a $1.4 trillion annual run rate for AI infrastructure in 2026, with data center construction outlays at a $68 billion annual rate in June, up 30% from a year earlier. He also cites an Oxford Economics estimate that AI is responsible for one-third of all economic growth. For him, the bull market ends only when the spending and buildout stop, not when headlines turn cautious.

Grice also says the AI boom has already lifted U.S. household wealth, which he puts at about $170 trillion versus about $140 trillion at the start of the ChatGPT era. He acknowledges that some of the gains flow to Taiwan Semiconductor and other foreign suppliers, but says many Americans own those stocks too, making the wealth effect broadly shared.

Key takeaways

  • Dylan Grice says the bull market is “firmly intact” because the underlying thesis is still a manufacturing boom driven by AI.
  • He says the AI buildout is running at a $1.4 trillion pace in 2026, far larger than investors may realize.
  • Grice cites Commerce Department data showing June data center construction outlays at a $68 billion annual rate, up 30% from a year earlier.
  • He argues the bull market ends when AI spending and buildout stop, not when market sentiment cools.
  • Grice says U.S. household net worth has risen from about $140 trillion to about $170 trillion since the ChatGPT moment.

Notable quotes

“the bull market is firmly intact. Still the core underlying thesis is firmly intact”

— Dylan Grice at 0:59

“the AI boom is becoming the largest investment surge in history”

— Dylan Grice at 1:25

“we're actually in 2026, the Commerce Department estimates that we're at a $1.4 trillion run rate for AI infrastructure”

— Dylan Grice at 3:41

“the bull market ends when the spending in buildout stops”

— Dylan Grice at 4:32

“AI is now responsible for 1third of all economic growth”

— Dylan Grice at 4:16

How the episode opens

Good morning. This is Dylan Juven with Behind the Markets. Happy Wednesday.

Today's Wednesday, August 5th. And this morning, I would like to answer four questions from you, from our members that have been asked to me. I've been actually asked these questions probably two dozen times, but they've boiled them down to four questions, and I'll pick the names of the people that submitted them first.

And by the way, if you have a question, just email us if you're getting this on email or, you know, drop a comment in. I'll answer it next time I get to this. Everyone tells me I should do this more often.

So, I'm going to do questions Q&A from you right now. So, first question, Dylan, yesterday you said the bond market's flashing warning sign. Is the bull market still strong?

That comes from Carl. Carl W. Carl, yes, the bull market is firmly intact.

Still the core underlying thesis is firmly intact which is a basically a manufacturing boom driven by AI and you know I will get to the proof points with my next question from Jim question is manufacturing still strong in the AI boom and you know I have an interesting piece of information from the economist it says the AI boom is becoming the largest investment surge in history. And what they do in this article is they really analyze the biggest booms in US and British history. So canal mania in the US in 1853, railway mania in Great Britain in 1843, the roaring 20s, US 1921, we got radios, we got televisions, very primitive, but light bulbs.

So that was a big tech boom in America. And then of course the United States, you had the.com boom in 1995. And what the economist does is it shows that basically for all of those other booms, it took them about four years to reach their peak.

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Topics

  • market direction
  • economic indicators
  • market cycles
  • portfolio risk
  • data vs headlines

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