Episode summary

Why the 10-Year Yield is the Gravity Pulling on Your Stocks

Behind The Markets Podcast · · 8 min · Hosts: Dylan Grice

Why the 10-Year Yield is the Gravity Pulling on Your Stocks – Behind The Markets Podcast

Summary

The host frames the market as a split screen between the 10-year Treasury yield and corporate profits. He says the bond market has been the immediate source of caution: the 10-year yield rose from 4.40% when he left to 4.7% last week, a move he ties to the Iran war, the risk of higher oil prices, and the pressure that rising rates put on stocks. In his view, the 10-year near 5% functions like a ceiling that equities are unlikely to break through under current conditions.

On the earnings side, he is more constructive. He argues that the AI boom is moving from hype into measurable profit phases, first through Nvidia and Palantir, then through the “Mag 7” and their suppliers, and now through margin expansion at companies adopting AI. He cites a Morgan Stanley note saying firms integrating AI could see about 100 basis points of margin expansion.

The host estimates that if S&P 500 margins move from 15.7% toward 16.7% or 17%, that could translate into a 6% to 10% increase in bottom-line profits. He says that would make the AI adoption story much bigger if companies continue reporting real operating gains.

Key takeaways

  • The host says the 10-year yield is the key risk signal for stocks, and moving from 4.40% to 4.7% has increased pressure on equities.
  • He argues that 5% on the 10-year yield acts like a ceiling because higher rates and oil prices weigh on valuations.
  • The host says the AI trade is shifting from hype to profit, with the next phase being margin expansion at companies that adopt AI.
  • He cites Morgan Stanley’s view that AI integration could add about 100 basis points to margins for S&P 500 companies.
  • The host estimates that a margin lift from 15.7% to 16.7% or 17% would imply a 6% to 10% increase in S&P bottom-line profits.

Notable quotes

“The 10-year yield is like a seesaw. 10-year yield goes up, stocks go down. 10-year yield comes down, stocks go up”

— A speaker on Behind The Markets Podcast at 1:09

“The stock market is not going with the current set of facts is not going above that. It's just going to push it down”

— A speaker on Behind The Markets Podcast at 2:03

“the AI boom has had a few distinct phases, profit phases so far. You know, the rest of it's just hype”

— A speaker on Behind The Markets Podcast at 3:41

“what they're seeing, and they're talking to Bank of America, Halliburton, CVS, NextEra Energy, all the companies”

— A speaker on Behind The Markets Podcast at 5:15

“what they're saying is a 100 basis points in increased profit margins for firms that adopt AI”

— A speaker on Behind The Markets Podcast at 6:48

How the episode opens

Good morning. This is Don O'Neill behind the markets. Happy Tuesday.

Today is Tuesday, July 28th. What a blessing it is to be back with you folks. Today I'd like to talk about what's happened in the markets while I've been gone or where we are actually right now and what it means for where we are right now.

Those of you who've been long time viewers of this channel know that I like to think about the world in terms of split screens and here we have a great split screen scenario. You know, on one side of the split screen while I've been away I've been focusing on interest rates. That's one side of the split screen.

On the bond market was flashing red. There's no doubt about it. Remember, we've talked on this channel a long time about the 10-year bond yield.

How important the 10-year yield is to stock investors, not just bond investors, but to stock investors, to you, to your retirement, to your portfolio. It matters. The 10-year yield is like a seesaw.

10-year yield goes up, stocks go down. 10-year yield comes down, stocks go up. And the market was selling off while the 10-year yield was marching up because of the Iran war.

When I left, the 10-year yield was at 4.40% and last week it was at 4.7% which was the first time it had hit that high since Well, actually, you know what? To put it in the context, that was the highest it hit. Uh it even got above the so-called liberation day highs of the 10-year yield in April of 2025.

So, that really put a lot of pressure on stocks. When that yield, that 5% level for the 10-year is like a ceiling. The stock market is not going with the current set of facts is not going above that.

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Topics

  • 10-year yield
  • interest rates
  • ai margins
  • corporate profits
  • oil and iran risk

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • NVDA
  • PLTR
  • MS
  • BAC
  • HAL
  • CVS
  • NEE
  • Nvidia
  • Palantir
  • Morgan Stanley
  • Bank of America
  • Halliburton
  • CVS
  • NextEra Energy

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