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Was Dave Ramsey Right About Rentals? (Don't Use Debt)

Biggerpockets · · Hosts: Dave Meyer · Guests: Deandra McDonald

Was Dave Ramsey Right About Rentals? (Don't Use Debt) – Biggerpockets

Summary

The episode argues that Dave Ramsey’s debt-avoidance advice is useful for people who are financially overextended, but too restrictive for investors who can use leverage responsibly. The host and Deandra McDonald say high-interest consumer debt should come first, but medium- to low-interest debt can coexist with real estate investing if the property’s return beats the borrowing cost. They also warn that 100% financing is a bad starting point if you have no reserves or experience.

A large part of the discussion focuses on landlord operations. Deandra says turnover delays usually come from unexpected vacancies, unclear access, and the “last 5%” of repairs, and she recommends withholding final contractor payment until every punch-list item is complete. On tenant screening, both speakers argue that bad credit or a criminal record should not automatically disqualify an applicant, but the offense, the property type, and the legal risk matter. Deandra also flags the danger of taking a year’s rent up front without knowing whether you must return it later.

For new investors with little capital, the advice is to work, save, and build a track record before trying to raise private money. Deandra says hotel and motel conversions can work, especially when zoning is favorable and the layout already supports residential use, but senior housing is much harder because of care and compliance requirements.

Key takeaways

  • Deandra McDonald says debt is a tool, but only if investors are not carrying high-interest consumer balances and can still handle repairs and vacancies.
  • The host argues that 100% financing is possible, but owning real estate with no money of your own is not sustainable because early payments and surprises still happen.
  • Deandra says turnover delays are usually caused by unexpected access problems and the final 5% of unfinished work, not the main renovation itself.
  • Both speakers say tenant screening should be individualized: bad credit or a past conviction is not an automatic no, but the charge and property type matter.
  • For an 18-year-old with little capital, the advice is to work, save rent money into savings, build a first deal, and then try to raise outside capital.
  • Deandra says hotel-to-housing conversions work best when zoning already allows the use and the building layout minimizes costly plumbing and wall changes.

Notable quotes

“debt is a tool. And like any tool, if you use it properly, you can get a job done efficiently and effectively”

— A speaker on Biggerpockets at 2:05

“you either still have that money in a high-yield savings account of some sort, or you know if you have to give it back or not”

— A speaker on Biggerpockets at 18:52

“I do do this. So, this is where I really expanded my portfolio was focusing on rundown motels that were no longer performing and transitioning them into not necessarily workforce housing, but just housing in general”

— Deandra McDonald at 35:16

Topics

  • cash vs debt
  • rental turnovers
  • tenant screening
  • using other people’s money
  • hotel conversion strategies

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • Fundrise
  • BiggerPockets

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