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Black Leaders Confront the DEI Backlash: Businessweek Convenes | Bloomberg Businessweek
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· · 49 min · Hosts: Romaine Bostick, Carol Massar, Tim Stenovec · Guests: Ursula Burns, Nicole Reboe, Jacob Walthour, Jr., Lisa Wardell, Chris Williams
Summary
Black executives and finance leaders argued that the rollback of DEI programs is both a political backlash and a challenge to the idea that corporate America rewards merit on its own. The panel said access has always shaped who gets into the room, and Ursula Burns and others pushed back on the notion that advancement came from DEI alone rather than talent plus opportunity. They also said the current moment is less about proving Black leadership exists than about defending the narrative and preserving gains that are now being pulled back.
The discussion repeatedly returned to corporate behavior after 2020: companies spoke loudly after George Floyd’s murder, but many did not commit durable resources and later retreated under pressure. Several panelists argued that firms need to use data, not sentiment, to show why diverse teams improve decisions and revenue, and that silence by executives has made the backlash worse. Others stressed that corporations also responded to consumer and political pressure, and that some will keep adjusting unless leaders speak up.
The conversation widened to rule of law, generational change, and AI. The panelists said young Black workers still need examples, mentors, and support, but also warned that broader threats to democracy, hiring standards, and access could affect everyone. Their bottom line was pragmatic: stay visible, build networks, and keep fighting for access, accountability, and better outcomes.
Key takeaways
- Chris Williams said decades of evidence show DEI principles lead to strong outcomes, even as political discourse has cast doubt on them.
- Ursula Burns argued that Black achievement is “in addition to” past programs and that companies have stolen the narrative, not the reality.
- Several panelists said corporate diversity pledges after George Floyd were often reactive and underfunded, then quickly rolled back when the political climate changed.
- Lisa Wardell said diverse teams make better choices and can deliver 17% to 20% more revenue, especially from innovation.
- The panel agreed that AI will change jobs, but not necessarily eliminate opportunity, if companies and workers adapt intentionally.
Notable quotes
“we have to make sure that they know that and remember that there are the benefits and that we as diverse individuals have collectively looked to be additive to the equation”
“I think it's not rather than, it's in addition to, right”
“They've stolen the narrative”
“merit is contingent on access and inclusivity”
“We know that 87% of teams make better choices if they're diverse”
How the episode opens
Bloomberg Audio Studios podcasts, radio, news. Welcome to Business Week Convenes, a series dedicated to bringing together prominent leaders for discussions on vital and sensitive subjects. I'm Roma Boston.
Coming up this hour, we delve into a crucial topic, the state of black leadership in corporate America. This conversation, it comes as we see diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives rolled back across the country. To tackle this issue today, I'm joined by several black leaders navigating this challenging environment.
Ursula Burns, she's the former CEO of Xerox and the first black woman to lead a Fortune 500 company, and she currently serves as co-founder of Integram Holdings. Nicole Rebo is the CEO of Seuite Recruiter Rich Talent Group. Jacob Walther Jr.
is CEO of Blueprint Capital Adviserss, Lisa Wardell, currently a board member at American Express and the former CEO of the for-profit education company, now known as Kovista, and Chris Williams, the legendary investment banker, now the chairman and founder of Sbert Williams Shank. Here is our conversation featuring black leaders confronting the DEI backlash. America, it's in a bit of a mood right now.
A lot has changed. I think we go back a few years ago, it seemed like to a certain extent, the dialogue and discourse we were having was constructive. Seemed like we're making progress.
And like a lot of times through history when we've made progress, we've seen the two steps forward, one steps back, sometimes three steps back. Where are we right now in America? Chris,
I think over the years we've seen decades of evidence where DEI and the principles that underpin diversity, equity, and inclusion lead to strong outcomes. I think the political discourse obviously in the last couple of years has caused there to be a questioning of the validity of the benefits that we've seen empirically from diversity.
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Topics
- dei backlash
- black leadership
- corporate america
- diversity equity inclusion
- leadership in corporate america
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