Episode summary
Bloomberg Businessweek Daily: AI Trade Unwinds (Podcast)
Bloomberg Businessweek Daily
· · Hosts: Carol Massar, Tim Stenovec · Guests: Kristine Aquino, Jeff Sprecher, Muyao Shen, Dan Sheridan
Summary
Wall Street’s sharp selloff was the opening frame, with the host and a markets editor saying the day’s weakness was broader than a simple rotation out of tech. They pointed to heavy losses in the S&P 500 and Nasdaq, elevated hedging, and a rising question for next week: whether investors are starting to punish companies that spend too aggressively on capex rather than deliver cash flow. The discussion framed the AI trade as a market leadership issue, not just an earnings-season wobble.
Intercontinental Exchange CEO Jeff Sprecher argued that the “AI trade” had become overheated, calling the pullback a necessary retrenchment before markets can keep rising. He said his exchange is seeing strong activity in new listings and defended ICE’s move into perpetual futures through a partnership with crypto firms, arguing that retail and institutional markets are distinct and that these products need regulation. He also said 24/7 equity trading is coming, with a first step planned for December 23rd.
The episode then turned to crypto after a $6.3 billion Binance hack, where the crypto reporter said almost half the funds were frozen and that the market reaction has been contained because Binance says users will be made whole. The final segment featured Brooks Running CEO Dan Sheridan, who said the brand is still growing about 12% year to date, with running participation and China expansion supporting demand despite trade-policy disruptions.
Key takeaways
- The host and the markets editor said Friday’s selloff looked broader than a normal tech rotation and raised doubts about AI-linked valuations.
- Jeff Sprecher said the AI trade had run too far and that a market retrenchment is part of a long-term bull market.
- Sprecher said ICE sees perpetual futures and exchange-traded derivatives as a distinct retail market, not a direct substitute for its institutional business.
- The crypto reporter said roughly half of the $6.3 billion Binance hack had been frozen and that Binance’s promise to make users whole has limited the selloff.
- Brooks CEO Dan Sheridan said the company is growing about 12% year to date, helped by a healthy running category and strong participation trends.
- Sprecher said ICE is planning a first glimpse of 24/7 equity trading on December 23rd.
Notable quotes
“the explanation eludes many of us watching markets today because, you know, before today, the explanation was that, oh, well, this is just a rotation, right”
“markets climb a wall of worry. And, uh, and so it feels like we've had an unbelievable year”
“it really is all about that cash flow now that that CapEx figure and whether they're showing enough to justify how much they're spending”
“we have to get these platforms into the United States, get some regulatory oversight, get some accountability and sustainability into these businesses”
“We're growing about 12% year to date. And the story is one where the consumer that we target is is super healthy”
How the episode opens
This is Bloomberg Businessweek daily reporting from the magazine that helps global leaders stay ahead with insight on the people, companies, and trends shaping today's complex economy, plus global business, finance and tech news as it happens. The Bloomberg Businessweek daily podcast with Carol Massar and Tim Stanback. I want to bring in Christine Aquino because she oversees the markets live blog here at Bloomberg.
And I would imagine you had an incredibly busy day just going through these numbers. Before we bring you in, Christine, taking a look at the equity markets, the S&P 500 fell 1.8%, the Nasdaq Composite down 2.9%, the Dow down a little over 1%. How do you explain today's selloff?
I mean, honestly, Tim, the explanation eludes many of us watching markets today because, you know, before today, the explanation was that, oh, well, this is just a rotation, right? We've seen this before. This has actually been happening beneath the surface, even though the index level moves haven't necessarily shown it.
We've gone we've seen investors kind of gone back and forth out of tech and to, uh, non-tech sectors and then back again. And then today that theory just went out the window because everything was solid golf. I mean, even I was looking at the equal weights S&P 500 earlier was still in the green at the beginning of the session.
I that fell by the wayside by the close. And so now it's kind of the question is a broad sell off. Is it a foot.
Also the question I have is right. Well the VIX ended up closing so close around four 15 minutes after. But yes exactly.
So it closed below 20. It was a 19 a spot for it there. So even then we saw it spike around 2425 earlier today.
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Topics
- ai trade unwinds
- tech stock selloff
- nasdaq correction
- earnings disappointment
- crypto markets
Companies and tickers mentioned
- ICE
- Intercontinental Exchange
- Brooks Running
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