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Trump Orders US Agencies to Drop Anthropic After Pentagon Feud | Bloomberg Businessweek
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· · 42 min · Hosts: Carol Massar, Tim Stenovec · Guests: Katrina Manson, Robert Reffkin, Varun Krishna, Luis von Ahn, Eric Weiner
Summary
President Trump ordered US agencies to stop using Anthropic’s products after a public feud with the Pentagon over safeguards on its AI systems, saying federal agencies should begin a six-month phase out. Bloomberg’s tech and national security reporter Katrina Manson said the dispute is less a clean break than a high-stakes negotiation, because Anthropic is embedded in parts of the intelligence community and classified cloud infrastructure. The company’s central red line is preventing its tools from being used for mass surveillance or fully autonomous weapons, and military leaders have echoed concerns that the technology is not ready for that role.
The episode then turned to housing affordability, where Compass and Rocket Companies announced a three-year strategic alliance to increase inventory and make home buying and selling easier. Robert Reffkin argued that sellers need fewer barriers, not more disclosure, and said the partnership could bring 500,000 to a million listings to market. Varun Krishna said Rocket and Compass can also reduce costs for buyers, including up to $6,000 in closing cost coverage and up to 1% lower payments in the first year.
Later, Duolingo’s Luis von Ahn defended the company’s AI spending as a long-term bet to improve teaching and double daily active users to 100 million by 2028. The broader market discussion tied these stories together with anxiety about private credit, AI funding, and whether the tech boom can keep delivering growth.
Key takeaways
- Trump’s order to drop Anthropic highlights a national security fight over whether AI models can be used in autonomy and surveillance, not just a contract dispute.
- Katrina Manson said Anthropic is deeply embedded in classified systems, making any six-month phase out complicated and potentially disruptive.
- Robert Reffkin said Compass and Rocket’s partnership could unlock 500,000 to a million listings and argues sellers should have fewer listing restrictions.
- Varun Krishna said the Rocket-Compass deal could save buyers up to $6,000 in closing costs and up to 1% on payments in the first year.
- Luis von Ahn said Duolingo is sacrificing short-term margins to push AI-driven growth and reach more than 100 million daily active users.
- Eric Weiner warned that AI spending, private credit, and opaque financing could threaten the valuation of the companies driving the tech rally.
Notable quotes
“The left-wing nut jobs at Anthropic have made a disastrous mistake trying to strongarm the Department of War”
“We will help if the choice is to remove us. We will make sure that transition is smooth”
“we plan to bring as a result of this partnership 500,000 to a million listings to the market”
“we're going to have an app that teaches as well as a one-on-one tutor, but also is as fun as a mobile game”
How the episode opens
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President Trump directed US government agencies to stop using anthropics products, capping a feud between the AI giant and the Pentagon over safeguards on its technology. The president said before 4:00 today, — Right,
There would be a six-month quote phase out period for agencies including the Defense Department that are using anthropics products. I thought and he his we're going to bring up his tweet in a second. Here it is.
The left truth social, not a tweet, I'm sorry. The left-wing nut jobs at Anthropic have made a disastrous mistake trying to strongarm the Department of War and force them to obey their terms of service instead of our Constitution. Their selfishness is putting American lives at risk.
Meanwhile, we've also seen uh according to Axios saying that Anthropic and the Pentagon are still negotiating a deal is still possible. that the accessor after after the president's post on social access reporter citing a source on anthropic and Pentagon in an ex post. So I don't know clock ticking though here.
Well fortunately we got Katrina Manson back with us. She's Bloomberg News reporter who covers tech and national security. She's also the author of the forthcoming book Project Maven: A Marine Colonel His team in the dawn of AI warfare. The book comes out next month but you can pre-order it now. She joins us from New York. Katrina, congratulations on the book. I'm looking forward to to reading it.
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Topics
- anthropic restrictions
- pentagon ai safeguards
- us federal contracting
- real estate listings alliance
- ai disrupts language learning
Companies and tickers mentioned
- COMP
- RKT
- DUOL
- Anthropic PBC
- Compass International Holdings
- Rocket Companies
- Duolingo
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