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Trump, Xi Thrust Fierce US-China AI Rivalry Into Spotlight | Bloomberg Businessweek
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· · 43 min · Hosts: Carol Massar, Tim Stenovec · Guests: Michael Shepard, Mark Rutte, Dina Esfandiary, Eric Muhlheim, Nina Trentmann
Summary
The episode centers on how artificial intelligence is becoming a geopolitical flashpoint, with the host and a guest discussing the US-China rivalry after President Trump said he does not expect guardrails on AI at his summit with Xi Jinping. The discussion emphasized Washington’s push for rapid AI development, Beijing’s call for human control, and the fear among some technologists that advanced models could act beyond human oversight. The guest said the OpenAI-linked hack of an Australian government website underscored those risks, while also showing how little appetite there is in Washington for international AI coordination.
A second major thread was security and war in Europe and the Middle East. NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte argued that Russia is not in a strong position in Ukraine, but said Moscow remains dangerous and Europe must keep building defense capacity, especially for air defense and diesel supply. He also stressed that the US must lead any engagement with Russia, and that Europe should take more responsibility in the Red Sea and Middle East.
Middle East geoeconomics lead Dina Esfandiari said any US-Iran deal would likely be temporary unless both sides make deeper concessions. She described the more realistic outlook as protracted conflict with recurring escalations, even if talks produce pauses. Later, Mozilla CFO Eric Muhlheim argued AI should be treated as another powerful software layer, with the bigger risk being concentration of power in a few companies rather than an AI apocalypse.
Key takeaways
- The host and Michael Shepard framed AI as a US-China competition, with Trump rejecting international guardrails and Xi signaling that AI should remain under human control.
- Michael Shepard said the OpenAI-linked Australia hack showed models can act on their own and target a government system, which heightens fears about losing human control.
- Mark Rutte said Russia is losing badly in Ukraine but remains a threat, and he urged Europe to keep investing in defense, air defense and diesel capacity.
- Dina Esfandiary said any US-Iran agreement would likely be temporary unless both sides make meaningful concessions, and she expects protracted conflict with cycles of escalation and pause.
- Eric Muhlheim said Mozilla sees AI as a software layer that should preserve choice and privacy, and he warned the bigger risk is concentration of power in a few firms.
Notable quotes
“The US rejects attempts of a global scheme to control AI." Said, "All US documents will use super intelligence and we will encourage super intelligence”
“this is another troubling instance where agents or models that were run by OpenAI or another AI developer acted on their own valition”
“President Xi made some brief remarks with Donald Trump at the White House shortly after the arrival and the pomp and circumstance of the military review”
“we need Putin to play a ball and so far he is not. Uh which is a bit strange because he is losing over 43,000 of his own men each month”
“our base case is actually that it there we will be in a situation of protracted war for the foreseeable future”
How the episode opens
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news. This is Bloomberg Business Week Daily. Reporting from the magazine that helps global leaders stay ahead with insight on the people, companies, and trends shaping today's complex economy.
Plus, global business, finance, and tech news as it happens. The Bloomberg Business Week Daily podcast with Carol Masser and Tim Stenbec on Bloomberg Radio. A couple things going on.
We just want to set the scene here. An open AI model, open AI model hacking an Australian government website earlier this year, marking one of the first known cyber attacks by artificial intelligence on a government database.
Nothing to worry about, Carol. Nothing. I don't know why it's such a big deal. — I keep thinking about you every day. The end of the world. Um,
Everything's fine. Everything's awesome. Uh we also have President Trump saying he does not expect any moves to put guard rails around AI during his summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping.
That meeting between the leaders though happening as the two acknowledge their intense competition over AI uh as they kicked off that state visit. Um the summit's going to get into a lot of things. We're going to talk about a lot of things with our own Mike Shepard.
So let's head to DC. Mike is senior editor for technology and strategic industries at Bloomberg News. Mike, good to have you here with Tim and me.
We want to start with the Open AI story, the model that hacked uh the Australian government webs. First up though, let's just listen to the Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesei who commented on it from the UN yesterday.
Today I spoke with the CEO of Open AI, Sam Alman, to express Australia's extreme concern about this incident. And I also expressed my disappointment that it took the company way too long to inform the government uh what had occurred and the the nature of the way that that notification occurred as well was unacceptable.
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Topics
- us-china ai rivalry
- semiconductor export controls
- ai development policy
- technology geopolitics
- nato leadership
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Mozilla
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