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Chip Stocks Sink Into Bear Market Territory as AI Rally Fizzles | Bloomberg Intelligence
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· · 18 min · Hosts: Scarlet Fu, Isabelle Lee, Charlie Pellett · Guests: Mandeep Singh, Mark Gurman, Geetha Ranganathan
Summary
A sharp selloff in AI and semiconductor shares set the tone as the host and a guest argued that Moonshot’s Kimi K3 model is less a DeepSeek-style breakthrough than another reminder that cheaper, more efficient LLMs are pressuring valuations. The guest said the reaction was driven by pricing and adoption worries, not a true leap to frontier capability, and noted that news flow can move stocks even when the underlying fundamentals have not changed much. He added that the market wants more open-source and lower-cost models because the ecosystem cannot support a small number of companies dominating the LLM race.
The discussion then turned to Apple, which briefly reclaimed the title of world’s most valuable company from Nvidia. A tech reporter said Apple’s stock strength reflects expectations for a new product cycle, including foldables, AI wearables and deeper on-device AI integration, with the company benefiting from a lower-capex approach than peers. He said the China AI rollout would not be a major revenue driver yet, but that Apple’s hardware-software-services bundle still supports its premium position.
Netflix was the final focus, with an analyst saying the stock drop reflects clear signs of maturity: revenue growth has slowed from 16% to 14% and now 11.7% projected for the third quarter, while viewing hours per subscriber are declining. She said Netflix is spending about $20 billion on content, but engagement has not kept pace, and future growth may require M&A, a studio acquisition, or another transformative move.
Key takeaways
- The guest said Moonshot’s Kimi K3 is mainly a pricing shock, not proof that Chinese models have reached the frontier.
- The guest argued that lower-cost open-source LLMs are gaining interest because investors want cheaper AI deployment and broader competition.
- The tech reporter said Apple’s strength comes from a new hardware cycle and on-device AI, not from heavy capex or cloud-scale AI spending.
- The tech reporter said Apple’s foldable iPhone could cost about $2,500 and be the biggest change to the iPhone line.
- The analyst said Netflix’s third-quarter revenue growth guidance of 11.7% signals maturity and is fueling investor anxiety.
- The analyst said Netflix may need M&A or a studio acquisition because content spend and short-form initiatives are not moving the needle.
Notable quotes
“you can't have two companies dominate the LLM race. It's never going to be good from, you know, an ecosystem perspective”
“Apple stocks been on a tear lately. I think investors might finally be reading my articles”
How the episode opens
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A lot based on that. And overnight there's a Chinese AI startup called Moonshot which I thought the name was kind of apt. Um it sent jitters across markets and this is why partly we're seeing or largely rather we're seeing an S&P and a NASDAQ that's down on the day and that's why you're seeing the socks on a bare market um because of that and for that we have no one else better to talk to than Mandep Singh.
He's with Bloomberg Intelligence. Um Mandep do you think this is another deepseek moment or do you think that this is something bigger changing maybe in the AI race? Um I I would say neither.
I I'm of the view that you know every time there is a new model release uh every model provider would highlight you know what is unique about this release and in this case they talk about you know token efficiency the fact that they have caught up in terms of certain types of functionality that the model can provide and uh look uh we were in an environment where everyone is talking about how expensive it is to deploy uh these technologies LLMs and um this model seems to be good enough at a low price which is what is catching attention but that doesn't mean you know they've caught up to the frontier models that anthropic and open AI have released uh and so it's really a function of pricing and uh to my mind you can create news but the actual adoption will have to wait and see
And it speaks to the nervousness that consumers and investors ers have over uh who is prevailing in this AI race and very much feels like an AI race.
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Topics
- ai model competition
- semiconductor selloff
- apple market cap race
- netflix slowing growth
- tech spending concerns
Companies and tickers mentioned
- AAPL
- NVDA
- NFLX
- Moonshot AI
- OpenAI
- Anthropic PBC
- Apple Inc.
- Nvidia Corp.
- Netflix Inc.
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