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Oracle to Raise Up to $50 Billion in Debt and Equity This Year | Bloomberg Intelligence
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· · 25 min · Hosts: Paul Sweeney, Scarlet Fu · Guests: Mandeep Singh, Geetha Ranganathan, Sam Fazeli, Woo Jin Ho
Summary
Oracle’s planned $45 billion to $50 billion capital raise was the central AI story, with the host and a guest arguing that the company is trying to fund a massive cloud buildout with a mix of debt and equity. The guest said Oracle is trying to turn about $18 billion of cloud revenue into more than $150 billion over four years, and that it needs the upfront capital to reach a $44 billion revenue target by 2027. He also flagged the tension between that ambition and Oracle’s weaker credit metrics, saying the market questioned whether the company can finance the expansion from internal cash flow alone.
The discussion then broadened to Elon Musk’s reported talks to combine SpaceX and xAI, which the guest said would make the financing story more palatable because xAI alone has too little scale and cash generation. Disney was another focus: the guest said the company’s quarter was strong, but its softer outlook likely reflects management lowering expectations ahead of a CEO transition, even as parks remain the core profit engine.
Later, pharma and networking got the same treatment. The guest said Sanofi, Roche, and Johnson & Johnson were mostly steady, while Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk face a key earnings test on pricing, volume, and international obesity-drug demand. In networking, the guest pointed to Cisco, Celestica, Corning, Ciena, Arista, and Nvidia as the main AI beneficiaries.
Key takeaways
- Oracle plans to raise up to $50 billion this year, and the guest said that size of funding need reflects a broader AI capex shift away from internal cash flow.
- The guest said Oracle is aiming for $44 billion in cloud revenue by 2027, but investors doubt whether its current free cash flow can support the buildout.
- The guest said combining SpaceX and xAI could help xAI’s funding story because SpaceX brings scale, margins, and government-backed visibility.
- Disney posted record quarterly revenue of $10 billion, but the guest said the softer outlook likely reflects management setting a lower bar ahead of a CEO succession decision.
- The guest said AI networking demand could lift switching hardware to $21 billion, with Cisco, Celestica, Corning, Ciena, Arista, and Nvidia among the main beneficiaries.
- The guest said Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk investors will focus on pricing, U.S. volume, and international obesity-drug demand when both report on Wednesday.
Notable quotes
“we're learning that it wants to raise up to $50 billion uh in debt and equity this year”
“we have a $18 billion cloud business that's going to go to $150 billion plus over the next four years”
“they are 4% of the overall cloud market share pie”
“combining XAI with SpaceX does make sense because SpaceX is a much bigger entity”
“the AI networking space is expected to grow 91% on the switching hardware alone to $21 billion”
How the episode opens
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news. You're listening to the Bloomberg Intelligence Podcast. Catch us live weekdays at 10 a.m. Eastern on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. — Listen on demand wherever you get your podcast or watch us live on YouTube. It is earnings season and Paul, you gave a stat earlier of 170 companies have reported.
Yes. and the S&P 500. The banks are all done.
Um, most of the mag 7 is done, but we still have a couple stray names reporting this week. And then, of course, Nvidia's not till much later. But, uh, all the spending on AI continues, and Oracle is the latest one.
I mean, it's it's been in the headlines for a while now, but we're learning that it wants to raise up to $50 billion uh in debt and equity this year. That's a tremendous number here for Oracle. Uh, so we needed to bring in Mandep Singh.
He's our global tech research head here at Bloomberg Intelligence. And Oracle raising up to 50 billion, a big chunk of that, up to 25 billion of it will be through debt is really eye opening given that um its credit has not traded as well, meaning the spreads have widened and credit default swaps on Oracle have also blown out a little bit. Uh they've come back in certainly, but there are a lot of questions over the financial health of a company like Oracle versus say a company like Microsoft.
Yeah, look, I mean, Oracle had given a revenue guide for the next four years. So, what they said was we have a $18 billion cloud business that's going to go to $150 billion plus over the next four years. The problem that the street had was there wasn't really explanation of how they would you know raise the funding, build the infrastructure and how that revenue uh would come about because it was all attached to open AI the $300 billion backlog which is essentially $60 billion per year just from one company.
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Topics
- oracle debt and equity raise
- ai cloud infrastructure spending
- space and xai merger talks
- disney earnings outlook
- biotech revenue guidance
Companies and tickers mentioned
- ORCL
- DIS
- SNY
- RHHBY
- Oracle
- Space Exploration Technologies
- xAI
- Walt Disney
- Sanofi
- Roche
- 650 Group
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