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Warsh Says Inflation Isn’t Slowing, Vows to Reach 2% Target | Bloomberg Intelligence
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· · 15 min · Hosts: Paul Sweeney, Judy Lagrou · Guests: Tom Orlik, Tom Keene, Nic Querolo
Summary
Kevin Warsh used his Jackson Hole speech to reinforce a hawkish message: inflation is not clearly moving back to 2%, financial conditions are not restrictive, and the Fed still has work to do if the trend does not improve. Tom Orlik said the remarks gave markets more clarity even as Warsh rejected a more formal forward-guidance style, and traders quickly interpreted the tone as increasing the odds of a September rate hike.
The discussion centered on the tension between sticky inflation and a softening growth backdrop. Orlik argued the bigger collision course may be political, with President Trump pressing for lower rates ahead of the midterms while Warsh signals patience on easing. Tom Keene said the speech sounded more restrictive than many expected, though he also noted that the key data the Fed will watch remains inflation rather than the latest jobs revision.
The episode also turned to municipal bonds with Nic Querolo, who said high-yield muni investors have become more selective. A failed QCF/I, Inc. deal and the uncertain outlook for Brightline highlighted how buyers are demanding better compensation for risk, even as defaults remain near historical norms and the market may actually be healthier for that discipline.
Key takeaways
- Tom Orlik said Warsh’s message was that inflation is not yet clearly heading back to 2%, and the Fed may have "work to do" if that does not change.
- The market took Warsh’s language as a stronger signal that a September rate hike is more likely.
- Tom Keene said the speech sounded more restrictive and did not include much detail on the Fed’s process or reaction function.
- Nic Querolo said high-yield municipal buyers are being more discerning, which he framed as a sign of market health rather than stress.
- Brightline remains a major muni wildcard, with more than $5 billion of debt outstanding and potential restructuring risks that investors are watching closely.
Notable quotes
“I don't see in the the trend for inflation um moving clearly in the right direction. Um, and if the trend for inflation doesn't move clearly in the right direction, we've got some work to do”
“it's between their inflation mandate and what President Trump wants, right? Uh President Trump has been very clear that he wants lower interest rates”
“I didn't hear much doubish there this morning”
“if they were to restructure it would be one of the biggest MUN restructurings of all time up there with Detroit or Puerto Rico”
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Mr. Worsh finished with his speech out there in Jackson Hole. I guess the feedback would be he got his message across. It's he's hawkish, — Still focused on that 2% rate uh like a hawk and that's kind of the way that's the message and you better get used to it. Tom Orlick, he joins us here, chief economist for Bloomberg Economics. Tom, love to get your
Thoughts on this speech. You you you've heard them all for many many years. What' you take away from this speech?
Well, great to be here, Paul. Uh so, um Walsh went into uh this Jackson hole uh with a challenge. Um he has expressed a kind of philosophical opposition uh to the idea of forward guidance telling the market what to expect from the Fed.
Um but that was running into uh a collision course uh with the market's demand for a Fed chairman uh who um can clearly articulate um how the Fed is going to respond to 5 years of inflation above target. Um so that was the tension heading into this meeting. Um now in his speech uh Walsh reiterated his philosophical opposition uh to forward guidance.
He said he doesn't like it. Um but um he did provide the market uh with a little bit more clarity about how he's thinking about inflation um and what that means for the immediate rates outlook. Um, I'm going to get the quote a little bit off, but basically he said, "Financial conditions aren't currently restrictive.
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Topics
- fed inflation outlook
- jackson hole policy
- interest rate strategy
- municipal bond market
- high-yield munis defaults
Companies and tickers mentioned
- QCF/I, Inc.
- Municipal Market Analytics
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