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Bloomberg Surveillance TV: August 14th, 2026 (Podcast) | Bloomberg Surveillance
Bloomberg Surveillance
· · 25 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Julian Emanuel, Nick Setyan, Robert DeNault
Summary
Julian Emanuel of Evercore argued that the long-running AI-driven bull market can still extend, but it is late-cycle enough that investors should expect sharper volatility and a bear market eventually. He pointed to the market’s unusual internal rotation, the persistence of “negative beta,” and the low level of VIX as reasons to favor inexpensive index hedges rather than outright selling. He also said the market may be underpricing the chance of higher rates, and that a 10-year yield move toward 4 3/4% to 5% would likely pressure stocks.
The discussion then turned to a food-safety scare that hit restaurant traffic, especially salad-centric chains. Bloomberg Intelligence’s Michael Halen and Mizuho’s Nick Setyan both said the impact looks temporary, with traffic disruption likely fading within a quarter as consumers move on and operators manage the messaging. Setyan said lower-income consumers remain under pressure, while higher-income diners have held up better, helping casual dining and fast casual outperform QSR.
Robert DeNault of Kalshi defended prediction markets as federally regulated exchanges rather than sportsbooks, arguing that surveillance and CFTC enforcement can police manipulation and insider trading. He said Kalshi uses real-time and look-back monitoring, screens certain participants from election markets, and believes the public backlash reflects confusion about a new product, not a fundamental flaw in the model.
Key takeaways
- Emanuel said the AI bull market still has room to run, but he expects a bear market eventually and wants hedges rather than outright liquidation.
- Emanuel argued that index protection is cheap because the VIX is low even though individual-stock volatility is elevated.
- Halen and Setyan both said the restaurant traffic hit from food-safety scares should be short-lived, likely fading within a quarter.
- Setyan said lower-income consumers remain under pressure, while casual dining and fast casual are gaining share from QSR.
- DeNault said Kalshi’s prediction markets are monitored 24/7 and regulated like other federal exchanges, not like sportsbooks.
Notable quotes
“Even as the long-term trajectory of stocks remains higher, a bear market will happen. AI does not negate the cycle”
“we think that the market you said it at at the the top of the show that financial conditions are as loosest that they've been this entire century”
“index protection is very inexpensive here. You get the Fed, you get the midterms, you get Iran”
“fears were overblown, right? People are cutting back at restaurants that don't even serve iceberg lettuce”
“We have round-the-clock surveillance that's operating 24/7 at the exchange”
How the episode opens
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Julian Emanuel of Evercore writing, "Even as the long-term trajectory of stocks remains higher, a bear market will happen. AI does not negate the cycle. It has intensified and potentially elongated the upside.
Julian joins us now for more. Julian, great to see you. Thank you for being here.
So, let's start there. There is this feeling, even among bulls, that this is as good as it gets. That's what we heard from Nicolai Tangen of the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund.
It sounds like you're kind of in that camp.
So, I think this is one of these times where, given the rally that we've had, given the fact that the AI bull market is about to turn 4 years old, you have to just sort of step back and understand that these things have time frames, right? If we we've talked about the comparisons with the late 1990s very often, and and in the the year 1999, prior to the top in Y2K, you had 100% higher in the Nasdaq, but four separate 10% pullbacks at the same time. If you think about this year, we've had this constant push and pull between AI jitters.
We just got through AI jitters in July, and then prior to that, you know, concern about geopolitics. And from our point of view, we think that the market you said it at at the the top of the show that financial conditions are as loosest that they've been this entire century.
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Topics
- equity and quant outlook
- market surveillance
- economic outlook
- securities strategy
- regulatory enforcement
Companies and tickers mentioned
- EVR
- MFG
- Evercore ISI
- Mizuho Securities
- Kalshi
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