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CPI in Focus as US-Iran Peace Talks Near | Bloomberg Surveillance

Bloomberg Surveillance · · 30 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Tiffany Wilding, Katy Kaminski, Andrew Gilbert, Walter Todd

CPI in Focus as US-Iran Peace Talks Near | Bloomberg Surveillance – Bloomberg Surveillance

Summary

Higher energy prices from the Iran war were the central macro shock, and Tiffany Wilding of PIMCO argued they will lift headline inflation, squeeze real household purchasing power, and shave growth. She said PIMCO now expects headline inflation to accelerate to 4% in the next several months and has lowered its GDP forecast, while noting that higher tax refunds from the OB3 bill could cushion consumers. She also said the bond market should still offer value because a prolonged disruption could raise recession risk, even as a resolution and falling energy prices could ultimately push inflation below the Fed’s 2% target later this year or in early 2027.

Katie Kaminski of AlphaSimplex said trend signals had become more mixed after the war shock, but energy still showed strong, though less extreme, upward momentum and equities had started to recover. She described a weaker dollar trend that was interrupted by the conflict but could reassert itself if escalation continues to fade. She also said systematic managers have been de-risking as volatility rises, with her process focused on weeks-to-months rather than intraday noise.

Andrew Gilbert of Energy Capital Partners argued that the U.S. has a structural advantage because it does not need to burn oil for electricity, and that higher oil prices could increase LNG exports. He said data centers may ultimately lower electricity bills by spreading fixed wire costs over a larger customer base, while solar has become the cheapest new power source because gas turbines and nuclear remain far more expensive. Walter Todd of Greenwood Capital said portfolios should balance offense and defense, with lower credit exposure, attractive valuations in large-cap tech, and selective energy exposure after the recent rebound.

Key takeaways

  • Tiffany Wilding said PIMCO now expects headline inflation to rise to 4% in the next several months as higher energy prices filter through.
  • Wilding argued the Fed is likely on a prolonged pause, but still could cut later as energy inflation reverses and growth cools.
  • Katie Kaminski said energy trend signals remain positive, but volatility has forced systematic investors to de-risk and trade on a weeks-to-months horizon.
  • Andrew Gilbert said the U.S. electricity system benefits from cheap natural gas, while data-center demand could spread fixed network costs and lower bills over time.
  • Walter Todd said his portfolios are reducing credit exposure and adding to names like Amazon and Microsoft as valuations improve.

Notable quotes

“We think inflation accelerates to 4% headline inflation the next several months”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 3:47

“high quality bonds provide a lot of value safe store of account here”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 4:50

“what we see is it's all about the numbers”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 14:26

“data centers should lower electricity bills over the long term”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 20:54

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Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts or watch us live on YouTube. Joining us now, boy do we need an update. Tiffany Wilding with us.

The last time she was on it was chaos. Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember what the excuse was, but it was nuts.

Let's get some sanity now with Tiffany Wild with the Pacific Investment Management Company, PIMCO, on America's economy. Can you be cool, calm, and collected, Tiffany, or is the unknown unknown killing you?

Um, well, you know, I I think for for the inflation report that was released this morning, um, you know, the the real news was was the headline report, um, you know, in the surge in energy prices. And And that should be no surprise to anyone who, um, has filled up their tank with gasoline lately. I think, you know, in terms of of the impact of of the Iran war, um, and higher energy, uh, costs, you know, I think there you know, I think what's very obvious is going to raise inflation.

I think the key, uh, unknown right now is to what extent it's going to impact, uh, you know, consumers purchases, real purchases of everything else. If they have higher gasoline prices they have to pay, that leaves less discretionary income for for all other things. Um, you know, and this was coming at a time when labor income was already, uh, you know, on the soft side.

So, so real labor income was already running around 1%. Uh, and this will further stretch, uh, you know, the the the incomes that people have.

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Topics

  • cpi
  • us economy data
  • risk sentiment equities
  • ai hyperscalers electricity costs
  • market resilience catalysts

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • PIMCO
  • AlphaSimplex
  • Energy Capital Partners
  • Greenwood Capital

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