Episode summary
Markets Price In Earnings and the Fed | Bloomberg Surveillance
Bloomberg Surveillance
· · 31 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Julian Emanuel, Barbara Doran, Rob Sockin, Dennis Blair
Summary
The conversation centers on a market that is still strong but increasingly selective. Julian Emanuel argues that earnings are still “unprecedentedly strong,” that value is outperforming growth, and that large-cap tech remains the key area to watch even after recent volatility. He says the Mag 7 have already been punished enough for AI-driven free cash flow pressure, and that the next leg of the bull market could come from short covering and a rotation back into lagging names with good results.
Barbara Doran says investors are facing a 22 times PE market with elevated volatility, which is why alternatives are drawing attention. She sees a 15% to 25% alternatives allocation as reasonable depending on client goals, with private credit, hedge funds, and fixed income all serving as ways to diversify risk and stabilize returns. She also says the SpaceX IPO looked too crowded and too dependent on future cash generation.
Rob Sockin takes the hawkish side on the Fed, saying three rate hikes in 2026 is his base case because inflation risks remain elevated. He points to above-trend GDP, a heating labor market, sticky non-shelter services inflation, and only temporary softness in the latest CPI data. Dennis Blair argues that alarm over China’s military rise is overstated, saying the real issue is how the U.S. handles Taiwan, the South China Sea, and the Strait of Hormuz.
Key takeaways
- Julian Emanuel says earnings season should stay strong and that large-cap tech remains the main market leader to watch.
- Emanuel argues the Mag 7 have already been discounted for AI-related free cash flow pressure, which may set up short covering.
- Barbara Doran says a 15% to 25% alternatives allocation can make sense for clients seeking lower correlation and less short-term volatility.
- Doran favors private credit and fixed income as portfolio stabilizers, while calling SpaceX too expensive and crowded for her clients.
- Rob Sockin’s base case is three Fed rate hikes in 2026 because inflation remains sticky and labor-market tightness is building.
- Dennis Blair says panic over China’s military edge is misguided and that U.S. policy should keep opposing any forced change in Taiwan’s status.
Notable quotes
“earnings are good and oh by the way you look at this year”
“what we think investors will likely do is refocus on the stocks and the areas that have been sort of lagards”
“we are in one of these rare environments where value stocks are outperforming growth in a tape where the index is up on the year”
“I think right now even though last week for instance you saw very strong earnings from the banks”
How the episode opens
Bloomberg Audio Studios podcasts radio news. This is the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. Catch us live weekdays at 7 a.m. Eastern on Apple CarPlay or Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts or watch us live on YouTube. Julian Emanuel with us with Evercore ISI right now. I love this phrase, endgame elements. What's an endgame element?
An end? Well, first of all, the endgame is to thank you to start out for after a month plus of World Cup. You have refocused the country on a sports rivalry. The sports rivalry of all time, the one that really matters, Yankees, Red Sox. That's the end game of the World Cup. a joy last night to listen to I think we either the team
And nobody was pulling a jersey — Nobody was stepping on somebody's ankle — Flopping — You know they have their moments but it was great continue what's an endgame element
So the question is is that in this environment where we know that AI is dominating as an investment theme where we know we're on course for political change in the fall where we know that earnings have been unprecedentedly strong is there how does the endgame develop and a lot of the questions that we've been fielding is does this have to end like it ended in Y2K and our answer is decidedly it doesn't because earnings are good and oh by the way you look at this year
Value is outperforming growth. The stock market is very strong and the economy is solid. — So Julian, we're getting into the teeth here of the second quarter earnings. First quarter earnings were just extraordinary across the S&P 500. Bars pretty high for the second quarter as well.
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Topics
- tech volatility
- earnings season
- fed rate hikes 2026
- valuation declines
- china military edge
Companies and tickers mentioned
- EVR
- PRU
- Evercore ISI
- BD8 Capital Partners
- PGIM
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