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Previewing the Fed Meeting and AI IPOs | Bloomberg Surveillance
Summary
Robert Kaplan argued the economy is splitting in two: AI and defense spending remain strong, while housing, autos, and lower-income consumers are sluggish. He said the Fed’s key job is separating supply from demand in inflation, warned that diesel-driven price pressures can spread widely, and said rate hikes should be deliberate because pushing too far could damage already weak parts of the economy. He also pushed for more immigration, balanced regulation, and entitlement reform to support productivity and keep deficits from worsening the long end of the curve.
Gary Gensler said the AI boom is likely to decelerate and then reverse within 18 to 30 months, with the timing and severity depending on debt in the system. He pointed to Anthropic’s S-1, Meta’s $90 billion equity offering, and Broadcom’s $63 billion package as signs of exuberance, and warned that many data-center financings resemble the off-balance-sheet excesses of 2008. Still, he said the U.S. should keep markets merit-neutral if disclosures are clear, while the Fed must decide how a slowdown would affect inflation and growth into 2027 and 2028.
Mike Wilson said the market correction has mostly happened under the surface since June, and he still wants investors to stay with quality and the large-cap leaders. Colin Graham argued that a stronger dollar, higher financing costs, and tight European conditions are pushing the floor for volatility higher, even as U.S. growth remains supported by nominal GDP. He said France is especially exposed because it lacks the growth buffer that the U.S. still has.
Key takeaways
- Robert Kaplan said the economy is strong where AI and defense are involved, but housing, autos, and low-income consumers remain weak.
- Kaplan argued the Fed should focus on how much inflation is supply-driven versus demand-driven, and move rates only deliberately.
- Gary Gensler warned the AI capital boom could reverse within 18 to 30 months as debt piles up across data centers and related financing.
- Mike Wilson said the correction has largely played out beneath the surface and that quality leadership still deserves investor support.
- Colin Graham said a stronger dollar and tighter global capital conditions are raising volatility and making Europe, especially France, more fragile.
Notable quotes
“this economy is if it's anything AI related or defense spending related, super strong. If it's related to housing, autos serving low moderate income consumers, sluggish”
“some of this inflation and maybe the bulk of it is structural, not necessarily cyclical”
“the currency, the oil, the credit markets, that's really putting a floor on the volatility and that's actually rising that floor”
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Truly appreciate that. like I'm supposed to give him some lofty introduction. I mean to have Gary Gensler and then Robert Kaplan in for an extensive conversation is what it's about.
The former head of the Dallas Fed with all of his work. The the only equivalent I can say to Robert Kaplan is Michael Spence with all he did in academics at Stanford and what he did across all of economics. But I I got to Can I do an audible start?
I mean it's closing but I have to
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You have no idea how foreign that was when I was a kid. I like Dr. Pepper here and you we get a can you a bottle. You have to split it. — It's yummy. — It's a little medicinal tasting for me, but I just don't send me hateful ex.
Mrs. King calls it roatas. — Yeah, — I'm with your wife. Robert Kaplan with us always of canvas and uh Kansas and Goldman Sachs and of course his public service at the Dallas uh Fed. I look at the moment we're at and what I want to say uh Dr. Kaplan is we want to get back to basics. What are basics for Robert Kaplan out of the election given the news flow that's that's that's mind-numbing.
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Topics
- fed meeting
- monetary policy
- ai ipo
- us economy
- s&p earnings outlook
Companies and tickers mentioned
- GS
- MS
- Goldman Sachs
- Anthropic
- Morgan Stanley
- Robeco
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