Episode summary
Private Credit Stress Test as Market Carries On | Bloomberg Surveillance
Bloomberg Surveillance
· · 27 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney · Guests: Randy Schwimmer, Ben McMillan, Neil Sutherland, Brian Wieser
Summary
The discussion began with private credit, where the guest argued that recent markdowns and headlines do not amount to a systemic problem. He said investors in the asset class are paying for stability, not trading liquidity, and that the “illiquidity premium” is roughly 100 to 300 basis points, with about 200 basis points typical. In his view, the current scrutiny is helping the market understand that private credit is not a bubble and is better thought of as a diversified, middle-market lending strategy than a source of contagion.
The market conversation turned to the AI and semiconductor trade, where the guest warned that the rally has become crowded and momentum-driven. He said the setup has echoes of 1999, not because the revenue is fake, but because flows, call options, and FOMO are pushing prices into nosebleed territory. His advice was to size positions carefully, diversify, and consider hedges such as puts or index hedges, especially after sharp gains in names like Micron.
On fixed income, the guest from Schroders said higher yields have created one of the best income and return environments in 10 to 20 years. He pointed to retail underownership of bonds, stronger yields across the curve, and still-attractive municipals. The advertising segment discussion focused on TV’s decline, the durability of live sports, and the growing importance of YouTube and streaming as ad platforms, with the guest saying conventional linear TV is “imploding” while the broader ecosystem still grows slowly.
Key takeaways
- The private credit guest said markdowns are not a systemic risk and that illiquidity is the point, not a flaw.
- He said private credit investors are paid an illiquidity premium of roughly 100 to 300 basis points, with about 200 basis points typical.
- The AI trade may have real adoption behind it, but the guest warned that momentum, call-option flows, and FOMO could make the unwind sharp.
- The fixed-income guest said today’s yields make bonds far more attractive than five years ago, when investment-grade portfolios yielded about 1%.
- On media, the guest argued that sports remains the key moat for advertisers while YouTube becomes increasingly central to video and audio.
- The advertising guest said conventional linear TV is “imploding,” but streaming and live sports continue to attract spending.
Notable quotes
“liquidity is not necessarily your friend in private credit. Illi liquidity means more stability”
“they're actually pretty pretty good around what's going on in private credit partly because they're used to alternatives, right”
“this is a market when you start looking at a line and you're calculating how many degrees off vertical it is”
“when you see the parabola, that's the signal to right step back and and take stock”
“if you take a step back, this is one of the most favorable environments for income and return and fixed income that we've seen in 10 to 20 years”
How the episode opens
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Eastern on Apple CarPlay or Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts or watch us live on YouTube. Randy Schumer is a hugely popular guest for us uh with Global Wall Street, vice chair at Churchill Asset Management.
Moody's dark in the door yesterday is a credit raider. It was illuminating on private credit.
Give us the Schwimmer update. Our viewers, our listeners see something. Let's pick on KKR. Uh my good friends over there. Okay, KKR, some form of markdown. And we go, well, that's harsh. that's going to happen again. Is it?
Well, first of all, uh great to be back on with you. And um I was in Australia all week. So, um — Welcome back to this time zone.
Yeah, exactly. And by the way, all of the uh Bloomberg surveillance friends send their regards. Thanks for all the great work you're all doing.
Um they're actually pretty pretty good around what's going on in private credit partly because they're used to alternatives, right? So they've had long history in Asia and this is including Japan. Japan and Australia probably two of our fastest growing areas of interest um you know in private credit outside the US.
They're used to alternatives. They're used to real estate. They're used to infrastructure.
So they get they get it. Um they also kind of like what we're doing. Their question is so what's going on with this focus on liquidity?
Why do retail investors want liquidity in an illlquid asset class?
Then why should they be in the why should they in be involved in the Randy Shrimmer world?
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Topics
- private credit stress test
- credit contagion risk
- fixed income reset
- credit valuation and opportunity
- advertising upfront
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Churchill Asset Management
- IDX Advisors
- Schroders
- Madison & Wall
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