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The US Market and Economic Picture | Bloomberg Surveillance

Bloomberg Surveillance · · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Alicia Levine, Dean Curnutt, Leslie Palti-Guzman, Veronica Clark

The US Market and Economic Picture | Bloomberg Surveillance – Bloomberg Surveillance

Summary

Alicia Levine of BNY argued that the market’s strength is being driven by earnings, especially from a small group of capital-expenditure beneficiaries. She said earnings for about 45 S&P 500 companies tied to capex are expected to rise 70% this year, while the rest of the index is still expected to grow 15%, and she linked that backdrop to BNY’s new 8,000 year-end S&P 500 target. She also said the risk is to the upside, even though she expects some consolidation from the Middle East conflict, higher yields, and any stumble in AI spending.

Dean Curnutt of Macro Risk Advisors said the current setup is unusually volatile beneath the surface: tech and memory stocks are soaring, the KOSPI is up 135% this year, and two-month implied volatility on Korean equities has jumped from 28% to 70%. He recommended risk management through a mix of cash and hedges, noting that a 4% two-year note offers real carry and that S&P hedging costs have fallen enough to make puts and put spreads attractive. He also warned that future IPOs like SpaceX, Anthropic and OpenAI could force benchmark buying and create extreme price swings.

Leslie Palti-Guzman said the Iran crisis is pushing countries to diversify routes, fuels and suppliers, and she expects the Strait of Hormuz to become a lasting geopolitical issue even if oil prices eventually ease. Veronica Clark of Citi said the labor market still looks fragile, with a rising unemployment rate likely into the summer and limited inflation pass-through from recent shocks. She expects the Fed could cut rates later this year and said a lot of recent inflation noise is tied to AI-related components rather than broad underlying pressure.

Key takeaways

  • Alicia Levine said BNY’s 8,000 S&P 500 target is earnings-driven and could still be conservative if capex-led profits keep accelerating.
  • Dean Curnutt said the real market risk is not daily index volatility but a feedback loop of soaring single-stock volatility and benchmark pressure.
  • Curnutt argued investors should consider cash and options protection because a 4% two-year note now offers meaningful optionality.
  • Leslie Palti-Guzman said the Iran shock is likely to accelerate diversification away from dependence on the Strait of Hormuz.
  • Veronica Clark said Citi still expects a soft labor market and sees room for Fed cuts later in 2026.

Notable quotes

“earnings are driving all of this and the expectation of an explosion of earnings”

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“the risk is to the upside there”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 2:03

“the KOSPI, which is a kind of the center of the storm, it's got SK Hynix in it, it's got Samsung in it. Um it's up 135% this year”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 13:40

“The inflation right now we see is honestly to do a lot with AI related components”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 37:12

How the episode opens

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Joining us now Alicia Levine CIO BNY that amounts to prodigious math skews. I'm going to go right to the math right now. Skew which is the third cross moment. We're not going to go to the math folks. It's the math for you Wednesday. Okay, skew is nuts. That's my scientific analysis. We've never been here. What's it mean for you to see the cross moments nuts?

It's it's it's well, I won't say it's nuts. I'd say the earnings are driving all of this and the expectation of an explosion of earnings. So it's not nuts nuts in the 1999 sort of way.

It's nuts in the there's so much CapEx and it's driving the earnings of the entire market. And and and and that's really the heart of it. I mean that and that's the issue.

So we did a we did a study of this. So earnings for the 45 CapEx beneficiaries about 45 companies out of the S&P 500 are up are expected to be up an average of 70% this year. 70% Nevertheless, the rest of the market is expected to be up 15% this year.

So we are talking about a very healthy corporate America and the the the enormous raise comes from those CapEx beneficiaries, but the rest of the market's humming along just fine.

You guys raised your S&P 500 price target to 8,000 for year end. Is that an earnings driven raise? — Earnings driven raise. All right. And by the way, I think the risk is to the upside there.

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Topics

  • sp outlook
  • vix
  • ai risks and opportunities
  • oil and natural gas prices
  • jobs day inflation and the fed

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • C
  • BNY
  • Citi

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