Episode summary
I Was the Algorithm Before Algorithms Then I Had to Start Over · Scott Pulcini
Summary
Scott Pulcini built his career in the old futures pit-and-screen world, starting as a Chicago Board of Trade clerk and then moving into electronic trading at Kingstree Trading. He describes an early era when wide spreads, visible size, and known counterparties let a fast scalper trade aggressively, but that edge disappeared as markets became dominated by algos and spoofing-style behavior. He says his earlier intuition and tape-reading skills eventually stopped working and forced him to evolve or get pushed out.
Pulcini argues that the modern edge is not guessing the market but identifying where real size and volatility are concentrated. He leans on CME MBO data, Bookmap, iceberg detection, stop-run signals, relative volume, and ATR to decide when to enter, how much to risk, and whether a move has enough force to continue. He says volume and volatility are the two biggest drivers of markets, and that traders should not rely on static stops or one-size-fits-all setups when the market regime changes.
The conversation also centers on discipline and survival. Pulcini says traders need hard loss limits, because tilt can destroy an account in minutes, and he openly recounts several blowout days where rage and overconfidence led to catastrophic losses. His main message is that traders must adapt, trade like an algorithm, and stop treating discomfort as a signal to skip valid setups.
Key takeaways
- Scott Pulcini says his old edge vanished when the market shifted from visible size to algorithmic trading, forcing him to rebuild around new data.
- He argues that volume and volatility are the two most important inputs, and that static risk rules fail when ATR expands.
- Pulcini says CME MBO data and Bookmap help him identify iceberg orders and stop runs with far more certainty than reading the book alone.
- He says traders must use hard daily loss limits, because tilt can turn one bad session into a catastrophic blowout.
- Pulcini’s current process is highly rules-based: define the zone, size the trade, and execute without relying on gut feel.
Notable quotes
“you can have the best edge in the world and think you've made it and all of a sudden the rug's pulled and it doesn't work anymore”
“the the two biggest things that drive markets are volume and volatility. That's where you need to identify”
“I say my gut feelings wrong is wrong 80% of the time, right? Because these they're they're designed to like do”
“I cannot tell you. I have a collage. So for the last year, I have over 150 stop to the exact tick”
“you have to have a stop limit in place and the best way to do it is through your firm”
Topics
- algorithmic trading
- order flow
- volume and volatility
- risk management
- electronic vs floor trading
Companies and tickers mentioned
- CME
- CME Group
- Bookmap
- Kingstree Trading
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