Episode summary
Semis pricing in a crash? Here's what you need to know
CNBC Halftime Report
· · 11 min
Summary
The panel focused on whether the recent selloff in semiconductors and AI-related stocks is signaling a real shift or just another cyclical scare. One side argued that the weakness in names like Micron and the broader semiconductor group looks familiar to past downturns, but this time the balance sheets are much stronger and the cycle could last longer than traders expect. The other side pushed back that a lot of the demand story may still be intact, and that the market is overreacting to near-term volatility.
A key theme was positioning. The panel said hedge funds have been backing away from semis, and that this may actually be constructive heading into the seasonally stronger November and December window. There was also agreement that if the market keeps selling off into late October, that could create a better entry point for adding risk, especially in AI and tech, where the panel argued fundamentals, valuations, and earnings still support the trade.
The discussion also drew a sharp distinction between names. Meta was described as a more durable product company with a founder-led advantage, while Micron and semi equipment were treated more as cyclical exposures. Treasury yields and oil at $102 were cited as broad-market risks, but the panel said last week’s broadening was mostly into defensive sectors like health care and energy rather than a true, healthy expansion across the market.
Key takeaways
- The panel sees the semiconductor selloff as potentially cyclical noise, with one side arguing Micron’s stronger balance sheet changes the setup versus prior cycles.
- Hedge-fund selling in semis was framed as a positive positioning reset ahead of the seasonally stronger November-December period.
- The panel said AI and tech remain buyable on weakness because fundamentals, valuations, and earnings still support the trade.
- One panelist is reducing exposure to more speculative AI names but still favors select holdings like Meta, Alphabet, NVIDIA, Apple, Goldman Sachs, and Taiwan Semi.
- Broad-market risks remain from elevated Treasury yields and oil at $102, but the panel said last week’s broadening was concentrated in defensives and energy rather than a broad cyclical rotation.
Notable quotes
“I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM AT ALL. I ACTUALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT WE ARE SEEING HEDGE FUNDS LIGHTEN UP THEIR EXPOSURE TO THE SEMICONDUCTOR TRADE”
“THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WHICH IS THE QUESTION, LIES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A YEAR FROM NOW AND FOUR YEARS FROM NOW”
“I'M NOT SELLING ALL MY AI STOCKS, RIGHT. I'VE JUST REDUCED MY EXPOSURE TO THE GROUP”
“THE FUNDAMENTAL SUPPORT IT, THE VALUATIONS SUPPORT IT, THE EARNINGS SUPPORT IT”
How the episode opens
Period where you're frustrated. It goes sideways for six months and then it revives itself. That's what I'm telling you is going to happen with your micron with your semi equipment. — You're watching lamb. Yes closely this week they report lamb report middle of the week.
It reports this week it's going to be a great quarter. The stock has not traded well. It's down 37% off of its june high. But it's up 62% year to date. — That's fine. But joe you're a student of the markets. I'm a student. Jimmy is scott everybody. Isn't this sound so eerily familiar that micron six times earnings. It's so cheap. And their order book is so big. Right. And that they can't meet all the demand. Have you ever heard that before? There's one, I'd say hold on. I've heard about ten times. You know, in my career.
There's one big difference. Your point is well made. But here's the key difference. Here's the. — Key difference at. — The end of a cycle. This one, this one matters. They have no debt. Micron. They have about 100 billion in cash. They're generating 130 billion in free cash flow. And what are they doing with it. They're recapitalizing the company by buying back shares at six times debt.
Do you think they had in prior cycles? A lot. — A lot, jimmy. — It doesn't matter when the order books dry up. Jimmy, let me ask you a question. Do you think you. — Are going to dry up. — In dry up in terms of what they believe? I'll phrase it a different way. Their take or pay contracts for 40% of the revenue in 27. If the market. If the if the spending peaks, those take or pay contracts mean zero, like in every cycle.
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Topics
- semis pricing
- market crash
- risk strategies
- volatile market
- investment committee
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