Episode summary
Chip Stocks Look Cheap. AI Spending Is Surging. So Why Is Cameron Dawson Watching for Peak Earnings?
Excess Returns
· · 51 min · Hosts: Cameron Dawson, Dave Nadig, Matt Zeigler
Summary
The discussion centered on what would have to break for markets to stop pricing in more Fed hikes, and both the host and a guest argued that the answer is not just inflation or growth, but a crack in the wealth effect, capital flows, or earnings expectations. The guest said the consumer is still spending above real income because household net worth remains elevated, especially for higher-income households, while the host emphasized that a protracted equity drawdown could eventually hit consumption and force a different Fed response.
A second major theme was AI spending and the market’s ability to absorb it. The guest argued that the AI capex boom is increasingly being financed through capital markets, with secondaries and bonds funding data centers while projects get delayed, making capital “more discerning and more expensive.” That raised the risk of a slower, more rotational market even if the economy remains resilient.
They also warned that semiconductor stocks can look cheap precisely when earnings are near a peak. The guest said low multiples may reflect margin normalization rather than opportunity, pointing to Micron and the idea that semis could be pricing in peak 2027 earnings even as the street still expects growth.
Key takeaways
- The guest argued that the consumer still looks resilient because household net worth is high enough to support spending even with negative real wage growth.
- The host and the guest said a sustained equity correction could eventually weaken the wealth effect and matter more for the Fed than current inflation noise.
- The guest said AI capex is increasingly leaning on capital markets, with secondaries and bonds funding data centers even as some projects are delayed.
- The guest warned that semiconductors trading at lower multiples may be signaling peak earnings and margin normalization, not simple cheapness.
- Both speakers said a sideways market is plausible if leadership rotates and valuation resets occur without a full economic collapse.
Notable quotes
“The two-year says you're going to hike three more times”
“Capital is not scarce. It's growing more discerning and more expensive”
“We're seeing this rotational market where everybody's sort of de-risking but staying fully invested”
“gross margins do not hit a sustainable high plateau”
“There is always a 15 to 20% wreck just hanging out in the room with you”
How the episode opens
What would have to break in order for that to be true? — Intel is trading down over 30%. On a beat. — Capital is not scarce. It's growing more discerning and more expensive. — We're about to mint 10% of the sention in the world in the next 3 months.
It peaked at 45% gross margins in 2022 and it troughed at 9% in 2023. Oh, gross margins do not hit a sustainable high plateau. There is always a 15 to 20% wreck just hanging out in the room with you.
But few people have the imagination for reality.
Those other podcasts, they're clickbait. But this this is clickbait. Should market professionals have private conversations in public?
Probably not. But if nothing else but to prove that all we know is that we don't know nothing, we're going to do this anyway. Clickbait has three rules.
One, we have a pre-agreed upon topic that we pick in advance. Two, while we're live, nobody Googles nothing. And three, everybody brings a surprise topic to the table for which anything truly goes.
Who's with me today? If you put Gandalf Tech earnings, Bilbo Baggins pipe, a twist of 90s soul patch hair, one handle of Florida, and a cup of boiled hot dog water. You put it all in a blender.
Then you don't press chop. You don't press puree. You press break stuff.
And you let it work for the length of one fed meeting. And when you're done, you pour it out. You've got a New Edge Wealth Smoothie.
and which that can only mean Cameron Dawson is with us. How you doing Cameron?
That nailed it. That nailed it — In more in more ways than one, including the manual steps. — We're going to talk about some of this deck that you just two decks that you've put out in the last like week that blew our minds.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- ai earnings expectations
- chip stocks valuation
- semiconductor margin normalization
- fed rate hike expectations
- rebalancing and cash needs
Companies and tickers mentioned
- MU
- NewEdge Wealth
- ETF.com
- Micron
- Newfound Research
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