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We Asked Fidelity’s Director of Global Macro Who Wins If AI Spending Slows

Excess Returns · · Hosts: Justin Carbonneau, Jack Forehand · Guests: Jurrien Timmer

We Asked Fidelity’s Director of Global Macro Who Wins If AI Spending Slows – Excess Returns

Summary

Jurrien Timmer argues that the recent AI selloff is best understood as a market forcing a rethink of the financing model behind data centers and hyperscaler capex, not a rejection of the technology itself. He says the market had already been “regulating” the trade because capital needs were getting so large that investors started questioning sustainability, and he thinks a slower buildout could ultimately help the big incumbents that already have strong cash flows.

He frames valuations through earnings growth, interest rates, and payout behavior. In his view, investors do not pay up for peak earnings, especially when those peaks are driven by cyclical industries like semiconductors. He says the Fed model still matters because higher bond yields compress equity multiples, and he sees the current backdrop as one where earnings are strong but valuations have to absorb the pressure from higher real rates and a higher cost of capital.

Timmer also emphasizes that the market’s structure matters as much as the macro backdrop. With the S&P 500 heavily concentrated, he says many stocks can remain in uptrends even when the index struggles. That is why he prefers a broader strategic mix than a simple 60/40 portfolio, including international equities, bonds, gold, commodities, cash, and other diversifiers. His core lesson for investors is to zoom out, rebalance, and think in terms of liquidity provision rather than panic selling.

Key takeaways

  • Timmer says AI spending may slow, but that could help hyperscalers and other incumbents by improving their payout ratios and investor appeal.
  • He argues semiconductors are in a cyclical earnings peak, so cheap-looking valuations can be a trap when growth is already peaking.
  • Timmer says higher Treasury yields compress stock multiples, so the bond market remains a key signal for the S&P 500.
  • He sees 2024-2025 more as an inflation and fiscal-risk story than a pure growth story.
  • He favors a broader 60/20/20-style framework with foreign equities and diversifiers because stock-bond correlations may stay less reliable than in the last decade.

Notable quotes

“if you slow down the development a little bit upfront, you avoid, you know, crashing going off the rails later”

— Jurrien Timmer

“the market looks ahead and they're saying you know probably at 180% the rate of change the second derivative is likely peaking here”

— Jurrien Timmer at 7:44

“the the price to earnings ratio versus the price to what what I call the payout so dividends and buybacks”

— Jurrien Timmer at 7:44

“when in doubt zoom out I guess would be you know where we live in a world where there's so much data and so much noise”

— Jurrien Timmer at 55:58

Topics

  • ai capex
  • treasury yields
  • semiconductor earnings cycles
  • stock-bond correlation
  • portfolio diversification and rebalancing

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • Fidelity Investments
  • CoreWeave

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