Episode summary
You're Missing the Regime Change | Liz Ann Sonders on the Vibepression Economy
Excess Returns
· · Guests: Liz Ann Sonders
Summary
Liz Ann Sonders argues that 2026 is being shaped less by ordinary uncertainty than by instability in policy, geopolitics, inflation, and the labor market. That instability is feeding a K-shaped economy, with high-income consumers, asset owners, services, and AI-linked spending holding up better than lower-income households, manufacturing, and other cyclical areas.
She says inflation should be viewed in a new secular regime: 2% may function more like a floor than a ceiling, with deglobalization, supply-chain redesign, and tariffs likely to keep inflation more volatile than in the Great Moderation. She also thinks the relationship between stocks and bonds is changing again, with yields sometimes driven by inflation rather than growth, which makes the old playbook less reliable.
On labor, she sees both resilience and weakness: layoffs remain low, but hiring is sluggish, immigration has compressed labor-force growth, and AI may already be reducing the need for some entry-level work. She does not expect AI to eliminate occupations broadly, but she thinks it is replacing tasks, while the market broadens beyond the biggest names as earnings growth and valuation dispersion force investors toward factor-based selection and diversified exposure.
Key takeaways
- Liz Ann Sonders says the market is in an era of instability, not just uncertainty, and that instability is reinforcing K-shaped divergence across consumers, sectors, and equities.
- She thinks 2% inflation may now be a floor rather than a ceiling, because globalization, energy, and supply-chain dynamics have changed versus the Great Moderation.
- Sonders argues the stock-bond relationship is shifting again as bond yields start keying off inflation more than growth, which changes how investors should think about diversification.
- She says AI is more likely replacing tasks than occupations right now, while still reshaping hiring, productivity, and capital spending.
- Her preferred positioning is factor-based GARP: positive revisions, margin stability, strong balance sheets, and high interest coverage rather than broad style or sector bets.
Notable quotes
“It's this instability that makes this cycle a little bit different. And it's leading, it's in part leading to some of the bifurcation, some of the K-shaped nature in this cycle”
“For much of the great moderation, you could almost think of 2% as the ceiling in the range. Now, I think we may want to think of 2% as the floor in the range”
“I think at this stage AI is a replacement of task, not really a replacement of occupations. And I think that's an important distinction”
“I think the rolling nature of different pockets getting hit and being helped at different times, I think that's also part of this new era we're in”
“I think it's probably okay. Uh I think significant swings um that becomes uh trickier that if we were to develop an actual you know an unstable inflation backdrop”
How the episode opens
It's this instability that makes this cycle a little bit different. And it's leading, it's in part leading to some of the bifurcation, some of the K-shaped nature in this cycle. And I'm not sure that eases anytime soon.
For much of the great moderation, you could almost think of 2% as the ceiling in the range. Now, I think we may want to think of 2% as the floor in the range. And and that has not just implications obviously for monetary policy.
I think at this stage AI is a replacement of task, not really a replacement of occupations. And I think that's an important distinction. This broadening out trade, which really only started to kick in the latter part of 2025, we do believe that that has legs.
I think the rolling nature of different pockets getting hit and being helped at different times, I think that's also part of this new era we're in. Hi Lzanne, welcome back to Excess Returns.
Hi guys, it's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me on again.
One of your earliest mentors in the business and the legendary growth investor Marty Dwag often reminded investors that the stock market is not a place for certainty. It's a world of probabilities and not predictions. And that's exactly why we like having you on to talk with us and our audience.
Um, we really value your ability to kind of cut through the noise in the markets and help investors understand what's really going on beneath the surface with sort of data grounded thoughts, sort of a uh perspective of market history. Um, and kind of respecting, you know, the uncertainties that are always existing in the market. So, you know, I think this is going to be a great conversation about what you and the team at Schwab are are thinking about currently and, you know, how you're advising and educating investors.
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Topics
- unstable vs uncertain markets
- k-shaped economy bifurcation
- inflation regime shifts
- ai capex boom
- fed dual mandate and stock-bond correlations
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