Episode summary
Ep 512: Winning Clients And Moving 'Upmarket' By Being Confident In Telling Your Value Story with...
Financial Advisor Success (Kitces)
· · 1 hr 30 min · Guests: Chris Smith
Summary
Chris Smith argues that advisors move upmarket by leading discovery better, not by changing their planning or investment process. His core thesis is that prospects feel safer, more engaged, and more willing to continue when the advisor clearly frames the meeting, listens far more than they speak, and then confidently asks for the next step. He says the best discovery meetings make the prospect’s story the hero, while the advisor’s story stays short, relevant, and tied to how the firm can help.
He lays out a four-part meeting structure: opening, discovery, presentation, and close. In the opening, he recommends setting expectations, lowering pressure, and signaling leadership by saying the meeting is about the prospect, that there is no pressure, and that the only decision is whether to have a second meeting. During discovery, he wants advisors to ask simple, repeated follow-ups like “Tell me more about that,” because the more the prospect talks, the more trust is built.
Smith also says advisors should think like physicians rather than closers: diagnose the problem thoroughly, then summarize it back to the prospect before proposing a solution. He credits this approach with helping firms improve conversion and move upmarket without changing their technical advice—only by becoming clearer, more confident, and more intentional in the sales conversation.
Key takeaways
- Chris Smith says advisors move upmarket by improving discovery discipline, not by changing their planning or investment strategy.
- He argues the best first meeting opens with clear leadership, low pressure, and an explicit expectation that the only immediate decision is whether to meet again.
- Smith says advisors should talk less, listen more, and use repeated prompts like “Tell me more about that” to build trust and uncover the real problem.
- He believes the strongest close is a direct invitation to become a client, not a vague “What questions do you have?” handoff.
- Smith says the biggest leverage comes from diagnosing the prospect’s problem so clearly that the solution becomes the obvious next step.
Notable quotes
“I'm a leader here to provide leadership”
“the more you can get them to share, the more they know you care”
“When you understand the problem as well or better than the person experiencing it, you earn the right to solve it”
“The only decision you and I are going to make today is if we have a second meeting”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the Financial Advisor Success podcast, where you go behind the scenes with financial planner, speaker, and consultant Michael Kitces to hear stories of how leading financial advisors navigated the inevitable challenges that arise on the path to success, and get insight from leading industry consultants about how to break through to the next level in your advisory business. And now, here's your host, Michael Kitces.
Welcome everyone. Welcome to the 512th episode of the Financial Advisor Success podcast. My guest on today's podcast is Chris Smith.
Chris is the founder of Possibility, a brand strategy design and implementation firm that works with financial advisors teams and firms. What's unique about Chris though, is how he works with advisors to create a more effective discovery process that closes more clients and helps advisors move up market. In this episode, we talk in-depth about how Chris views leadership as a key element of the discovery process, as prospects want to know where the process is heading and how the advisor will guide them.
Why Chris believes the key to the initial meeting with a client is for the advisor to spend the vast majority of the time listening to the client, and then synthesizing and reflecting their comments back to them. And how Chris finds that closing the first meeting with an assertive assumption, rather than asking if the prospect has any questions, increases the chances the prospect will schedule a second meeting. We also talk about how Chris views the second meeting with a prospect as an opportunity for the advisor to share planning insights and a strategy to move forward, spending most of the time during the meeting speaking themselves, unlike during the initial meeting.
Why Chris warns against going too deep into the details at this point to avoid creating confusion in the prospect's mind, and the scripts Chris uses at the end of the second meeting to invite the prospect to become a client.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- discovery meetings
- client acquisition
- listening and rapport
- value story messaging
- second meeting strategy
Companies and tickers mentioned
- PSBLTY
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