Episode summary
Under the Hood of Fintech Products
Fintech Takes
· · 59 min · Hosts: Alex Johnson · Guests: Jas Shah
Summary
The conversation focuses on the mechanics of fintech products, starting with digital onboarding. Jas Shah argues that onboarding has improved dramatically, but banks still leave value on the table because product lines are siloed and the user experience often forces customers to repeat steps they have already completed. He highlights progressive onboarding, pre-population from open banking data, reusable KYC, and digital identity as the main areas where the next round of improvement should come from.
The discussion then turns to personal financial management, which both speakers describe as a famously difficult category to monetize. Jas Shah says the core problem is that most users do not want to do the work required by today’s PFM tools, while the product often asks them to connect many accounts, fix categorization errors, and pay for the privilege. He sees AI as a way to turn static dashboards into a more conversational, actionable experience, potentially through daily check-ins and agentic help.
They also explore the tension between AI-driven financial advice and monetization incentives, especially if free users receive recommendations that may be influenced by commerce or advertising. The episode closes with a playful but practical debate about naming fintech companies after Tolkien, where Jas Shah proposes Mithril, Arkenstone, and Kazad as strong candidates for different product types.
Key takeaways
- Jas Shah says digital onboarding has improved a lot, but banks still struggle because their products and teams are siloed.
- He sees progressive onboarding as the most practical near-term fix, letting firms collect only the minimum data upfront and add more later.
- He argues that open-banking-based pre-population and reusable KYC can reduce friction, but only if firms solve the trade-off between drop-off and data collection.
- Jas Shah says PFM remains hard because most consumers want outcomes, not tools, and many apps still feel like "glorified pivot tables."
- He believes AI could make PFM more useful by translating transactions into actions, but the biggest unresolved issue is who pays and whose interests the advice serves.
Notable quotes
“digital onboarding has gotten, I don't know, 10,000 times better than it used to be even 10, 15 years ago”
“The challenge with that is if you if you miss any if you drop off any one of those points”
“I always think that that reusable KYC and digital identity if that was like in a similar vein to the way Google SSO works”
“PFMs have done a great job in doing the fair value exchange”
“we will see in apps like Albert Monach Cleo plumbing in the UK that we'll see AI do more of that and actually take it from very static like a bit of aggregated information”
How the episode opens
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Visit aqualiss.com to learn more. Hello and welcome back to the Fintech Takes podcast. Uh today we have an episode that I've been trying to produce for a while.
We had to persist through some technical difficulties, some little snafuss, but it was worth it. Uh, today's guest is Joss Shaw. Uh, Joss is a fintech product consultant and more importantly from my perspective, the author of one of my absolute favorite newsletters, Fintech Under the Hood.
Um, he, as that name might suggest, gets under the hood and looks at how fintech products actually work. He has a lot of experience actually building in the space. uh he's built a number of different types of fintech products.
He's worked as a consultant with fintech companies, with banks. He really knows his stuff at a a level of detail that sometimes, honestly, we don't quite get into here at fintech tape. So, I was very excited to have him come on and take us into the trenches of what's happening in fintech.
We spent some time talking about digital onboarding uh which is something as he points out that we kind of take for granted uh here in 2026 but we've actually made a tremendous amount of progress on and I talk about that progress and what work we still have to do on digital onboarding areas for potential improvement the shift that we're starting to see towards uh reliance on third parties for KYC and digital identity lots of exciting stuff and then we switch gears and we talk about one of my absolute favorite topics in fintech, personal financial management, which is like the siren of fintech that just lures builders onto the rocks.
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Topics
- fintech product building
- digital onboarding
- personal financial management
- ai in consumer fintech
- payments vs financial management
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Ocrolus
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