Episode summary
From SpaceX to Founders Fund to Solving America's Nuclear Fuel Problem
Invest Like the Best
· · 1 hr 24 min · Hosts: Patrick O'Shaughnessy · Guests: Scott Nolan
Summary
Scott Nolan frames his career around one rule: work on something useful, where he can make a real contribution to an important problem that would otherwise go unsolved. That logic took him from early SpaceX, where he saw a stagnant aerospace industry and believed a new company could win, to Founders Fund, where Peter Thiel’s influence pushed him toward contrarian investing and away from trends.
At Founders Fund, Nolan says the core lesson was to avoid crowded themes, think several layers abstractly, and concentrate capital into the few winners that truly matter. He argues that great investments often came from industries that were stagnant, oligopolistic, and structurally under-innovated, especially cost-plus businesses where incentives for progress were weak. Airbnb and Spotify are held up as examples of companies that looked niche or underappreciated before their markets expanded.
The conversation then turns to General Matter, Nolan’s company focused on uranium enrichment. He argues that energy consumption is a strong proxy for prosperity, that the U.S. has been flatlining in energy growth for decades, and that AI data centers are now exposing a serious power bottleneck. His case for nuclear is first-principles driven: it is the safest, cleanest, and most reliable base load source, but current fuel supply is the urgent failure point. General Matter is built to address that bottleneck by rebuilding commercial enrichment capacity in the U.S.
Key takeaways
- Nolan says the best problems are the ones that are both important and underworked, especially when he can make a real contribution.
- He says Peter Thiel’s biggest investing lesson was to avoid trends because they create both crowded company competition and crowded investor competition.
- He argues that stagnant, cost-plus industries like space launch, defense, and infrastructure are especially fertile ground for contrarian hardware investing.
- He says energy use closely tracks prosperity, and the U.S. has had almost no grid growth since the 1990s while AI data centers are now driving demand higher.
- He says the main bottleneck in nuclear is not licensing but fuel supply, especially enrichment capacity and looming fuel cliffs in 2028 and beyond.
Notable quotes
“My framework has always been just do something that's useful. Do something that you feel like you're making a real contribution and using your talents to make some type of positive impact”
“There's two layers of competition. Um, so the avoid competition thing was a huge huge part of this”
“I think a huge portion of them are going to be industries that somehow just stagnated”
“energy use in production is the ultimate proxy for human prosperity for economic activity for all these things”
“the US has good capability across the board except in enrichment. It's the one area that we don't have any commercial scale capability”
How the episode opens
My guest today is Scott Nolan. Scott has led a fascinating career. He was employee number 35 at SpaceX, helping develop some of their critical early systems.
He then went on to more than a decade investing at Founders Fund where he invested in SpaceX and many other of the defining companies of this generation. More recently, he started a company incubated that founders fund called General Matter. The topic of today's conversation is his time investing at Founders Fund and more recently his decision to build this company full-time.
General Matter is attacking one of the most interesting bottlenecks in the United States, the enrichment of uranium to create power in nuclear power plants. We don't do any of that in the United States today. We've outsourced it overseas for years.
Scott and General Matter are seeking to reverse that through the enrichment of uranium here in the United States. We touch on all aspects of what he learned both as an investor and already building this company in its early years. Please enjoy my conversation with Scott Nolan.
Scott, I think an interesting place to begin our discussion is actually with a a sort of worldview type question, which is how you figure out what to work on. If I just plot your CV over time, you worked at SpaceX very early on. You've been critical to Founders Fund success.
Now, you've started your own business and are basically devoting your time to that. And even the path between those things looks very interesting. like when you switch from one to another intrigues me.
And so I'm curious both from your perspective and and maybe from the founders fund perspective too since that was a shaping experience for you. How you think about this question of what to work on and what to spend your time on.
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Topics
- atoms over bits
- venture investing frameworks
- ai data center energy demand
- advanced nuclear reactors
- nuclear fuel supply and uranium enrichment
Companies and tickers mentioned
- General Matter
- Founders Fund
- SpaceX
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