Episode summary
100 John Does | Money Stuff: The Podcast
Money Stuff The Podcast
· · 30 min · Hosts: Matt Levine, Katie Greifeld
Summary
The hosts open with a discussion of July 4 plans, then move into a legal and market-structure story about Susquehanna suing 100 John Does over alleged insider trading in Chinese brokerage options. They describe how the firm says a cluster of short-dated put buyers appeared to profit from the May 22 crackdown on Chinese brokerage shares, and how the lawsuit is partly a bid to freeze accounts and identify the traders. The broader point is that options market makers can be harmed by sharp bettors, and that insider trading rules effectively subsidize retail customers by letting market makers tighten spreads.
From there, they turn to the possibility of sports gambling and prediction market ETFs. The hosts argue that if regulators allow them, these products could look like bond funds built on favorite-heavy betting strategies, or more actively managed versions run by skilled gamblers. They also note that the SEC is now asking broader questions about weird ETFs, including whether some of these products even belong in the ETF wrapper.
The final segment focuses on Strategy, where falling Bitcoin prices and rising financing costs are squeezing the company’s highly leveraged balance sheet. The hosts say the company’s preferreds and other capital raises are now getting more expensive, forcing it to trim ambitions, sell Bitcoin, and potentially unwind parts of the trade it used to use to buy more Bitcoin.
Key takeaways
- The hosts say Susquehanna’s lawsuit against 100 John Does is really about freezing accounts and identifying traders who may have used inside information on Chinese brokerage options.
- The hosts argue that market makers like Susquehanna can treat retail options flow like a casino, but insider-trading enforcement matters because it protects them from being picked off.
- The hosts think sports gambling ETFs and prediction market ETFs are likely to exist eventually, with a simple favorite-betting strategy potentially packaged as a low-correlation product.
- The hosts note that the SEC is questioning whether non-security assets like Bitcoin, gold, and sports bets fit comfortably inside the ETF structure.
- The hosts say Strategy’s leverage is becoming a problem because Bitcoin is down, financing costs are up, and the company is now selling Bitcoin and raising preferred dividends just to manage cash flow.
Notable quotes
“Saskcoana would get a call being like, "Would you make a price and hundreds of call options on some company”
“the more you can trust the SEC to crack down on insider trading and stop insider traders, the better the pricing of options will be”
“if you can get rid of those people then like most of the customers lose and the customers who win you're like nope not paying you cheated”
“I think bet on all the favorites college football ETF than like a double levered Micro Strategy ETF”
“the answer to how does this end is it's like it's it's just the inverse of what they did on the way up”
How the episode opens
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news. — Happy birthday, America. — Matt, what are you doing for America 250? — Like, people have asked me that and I'm confused. — What do you mean? — I don't know, man. I'm like I'm like going to the pool.
Yeah, — I might go to like the riverfront fireworks. I might not. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. like past my bedtime. — I guess the heat dome is descending. — The heat dome, the lateness of the fireworks. I'm going to go to the pool and stay in the air conditioning. And
I love that. — Watch the World Cup patriotic endeavor. — Yeah, I think I'm going to watch my first match of the World Cup tonight, which is Wednesday. Yeah. — Versus Bosnia. — Yeah. — I didn't know that was happening. And then my dad informed me of such since I'm on my way to my parents house after I do this podcast and anchor two hours of television. And your dad was like, "Just so you know, we're watching World Cup tonight."
Yeah. — Don't come here with big ideas. — He was like, "It starts at 8:00 p.m., so you should get here before that." — I sympathize. I really enjoy watching the World Cup with my children. So, — I'm psyched. I mean, — It's great.
I just I like sports. — I can't believe that you like like sports and have not watched any of the I don't know 50 World Cup matches so far, which are so good. — Casual consumer. I have like two niche sports that I really care about and then I'll watch anything you put in front of me pretty much. I'm excited to make this lobster cake.
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Topics
- insider trading
- sports gambling etfs
- options trading
- bitcoin leverage
- chatgpt security design
Companies and tickers mentioned
- MSTR
- MicroStrategy
- OpenAI
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