Episode summary
An OK Horse | Money Stuff: The Podcast
Money Stuff The Podcast
· · Hosts: Matt Levine, Katie Greifeld
Summary
The hosts spend much of the episode on three connected finance stories: Jamie Dimon’s JPMorgan appearance and the bank’s pub, Donald Trump’s lawsuit over alleged debanking, and a strange memecoin tied to the open-source project Gas Town. The debanking discussion frames Trump’s case as a clash between banks’ anti-crime risk controls and political blowback, with the host noting how similar suspicions were reportedly raised about Brian Moynihan’s exclusion from a Davos reception.
From there, the conversation turns to how a coin with no real project connection can still create value for a developer through trading fees, attention, and speculation. The host argues that this is less like a clean creator-funding model than “memecoin venture capital,” where insiders can profit alongside or ahead of the supposed beneficiary. The episode also notes that the host was assigned a memecoin of his own, though he refuses to touch it.
Later, the hosts discuss moonshot-style CEO pay packages, arguing that such incentives make more sense as a diversified portfolio bet than as a promise that every company will beat the market. They close with NYSE-related plans for 24-ish/7-ish trading and tokenized settlement, suggesting that around-the-clock markets may be coming, with computers supervised by someone on the night shift.
Key takeaways
- The host says Trump’s JPMorgan lawsuit fits a broader fight over whether banks can label account closures as crime prevention or political debanking.
- The Gas Town token shows how memecoins can funnel money to a developer through royalties and to traders through hype, not just to creators.
- The host argues moonshot pay packages are rational only if investors expect most to fail and a few to massively outperform.
- The episode suggests 24/7 trading is more plausible if settlement is tokenized and real-time, even if liquidity overnight is thin.
- The hosts think the future of nonstop markets may involve mostly computers, with humans just supervising the night shift.
Notable quotes
“President Donald Trump is suing JP Morgan and Jamie Diamond himself for at least $5 billion over those allegations”
“the idea is like it's a memecoin that is has the same name as Gas Town”
“Allow me to get richer just by telling you about it”
“these are supposed to be like all or nothing moonshots, right”
“We think it aligns with the retail investors emerging desire to be able to trade something at 5:04 p.m. on a Saturday”
How the episode opens
Bloomberg Audio Studios podcasts radio news. As uh frequent listeners know, we record this on Thursdays generally and apparently we're going to get a biblically bad storm this weekend in the New York City area. — And you are like, "Yes, this is great."
I feel like we had a real storm this past weekend and it was like criminally underhyped. I had no idea it was coming. I I was also surprised by this snow. I used to like snow a lot more before I became a suburban dad and now it's like
Shoveling a foot of snow. — It's no fun anymore. — Burrow into your heart. Try to find that childlike joy. — I try but — I just I pretty deeply buried under — I root for chaos.
Yeah, sure. Sure, sure. You don't have to shovel the snow.
I was talking to you before this and you were like you like gave me the impression you had like 15 minutes of a material on the snowtorm this weekend. Mostly I just wanted to talk about like why was no one like there's been a lot of headlines like first big snowstorm of the Mani era and it's like are we all just trying to forget that last weekend happened? I feel like that was the first big snowstorm.
Our colleague Joe Wisenthaw was tweeting about prediction markets for the snow. — Oh, they're popping off. I'm sure — This is the first time I've ever felt inclined to get involved in a prediction market. — Really? You like have an inside view about
Oh, yeah. — We'll do that for Katie. Speaking of um folks writing in, oh, — We got to get this out of the way first. — We have some JP Morgan material to get through.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- debanking
- memecoins
- crypto ip
- trading systems
- workforce incentives
Companies and tickers mentioned
- JPM
- DEO
- JPMorgan Chase
- Diageo
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