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Champagne and Caviar | Money Stuff: The Podcast

Money Stuff The Podcast · · Hosts: Matt Levine, Katie Greifeld

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Summary

The hosts start with the Knicks and a Bloomberg-connected bar, The Jeffrey, which ran a promotion making customers’ tabs free if the Knicks won. They use it to illustrate how a bar can hedge a sports-payout promotion by betting on the game on Kalshi, which they treat as less like “prediction markets” in the abstract and more like ordinary sports betting with a financial wrapper. The guest argues that this is a real hedge, but also a reminder that markets are now being used to manage everyday business risk in a very visible way.

They then turn to Alphabet’s roughly $85 billion stock sale, including an at-the-market program and a $10 billion private placement to Berkshire Hathaway. The guest sees the move as part of a broader shift: big tech is becoming more capital intensive, especially because of AI data centers, chips, and talent costs, so equity issuance is replacing the older habit of buybacks. The discussion also digs into a technical point about Alphabet using stock sales to fund tax withholding on employee equity grants, which ties employee compensation more directly to company financing.

The back half focuses on Andrew Left’s conviction for market manipulation. The host and guest say the case highlights how blurry the line is between aggressive activist short selling and illegal manipulation, especially when short sellers publicly criticize companies and then quickly cover. They note that the case may chill activist short-selling generally, with fewer research-driven short campaigns this year than in 2020, and they argue the real problem is not the absence of a bright-line rule but the difficulty of proving intent.

Key takeaways

  • The guest argues that The Jeffrey’s Knicks promotion shows how prediction-market-style betting can function as a practical hedge for business risk, even if it is really just sports betting.
  • Alphabet’s $85 billion stock sale is presented as a sign that major tech firms now need more equity financing because AI makes them capital intensive.
  • The guest says Alphabet’s ATM program will help fund taxes on employee equity grants, effectively using new stock issuance to cover compensation-related cash needs.
  • Andrew Left’s conviction is framed as a warning sign for activist short sellers, but also as a case where intent matters more than any simple holding-period rule.
  • The hosts note that activist short-selling research reports have fallen to 31 so far this year from 55 in 2020, suggesting a chilled industry.

Notable quotes

“they're really talking about sports betting. And so this is like the overlap of the Venn diagram where it's like it's sports betting and it's hedging of real world risk”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 5:50

“the reason Google is selling $85 billion of stock is, you know, AI, right”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 19:09

“we need so much money, we have to sell stock”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 11:52

“No one knows what the rules are. And like the rule There's no rule, right? The rule is like, don't have a bad intent”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 30:56

How the episode opens

Bloomberg Audio Studios. Podcasts, radio, news. — We had a really important update. We talked last week about the enhanced games where people take drugs to be faster. And the 100-meter dash was won by a guy who was not on drugs. And afterwards he gloated, "They got to get on that some more." Which is just a perfect use of the English language.

I mean, it really You can apply it to so many different areas of your life, including the podcast. — Late at the podcast. — Hey, it's okay. We have a tight 29 minutes. — We have a tight 29 minutes. — Yeah, it's going to be good. We're going to be good.

All right. — No, no, no. Keep bantering. — No, I can't It works — To get on that some more. — How about them Knicks? — Well, yeah. The Knicks. — Yeah. — They're on that some more. — They certainly are. They really — This is an allegation.

Ever been on this podcast. Yeah, the Knicks won last night. We're recording this on Thursday. — Yeah. What's the next game? — Because we were up late watching — Partying — The Knicks win game one. — The Jeffrey. There's so many ways to get into this

I know. — First segment. — Quickly say, "Hello and welcome to the Money Stuff podcast, your weekly podcast where we talk about stuff related to money. I'm Matt Levine. I write the Money Stuff column for Bloomberg Opinion." — And I'm Katie Greifeld. I should do it really slow since you did it really fast. And I'm Katie Greifeld.

Pal. — A reporter for Bloomberg News and anchor for Bloomberg Television. — I did not watch the Knicks at all or at the uh the Jeffrey.

From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →

Topics

  • sports bet hedging
  • activist short selling decline
  • taxes on stock vesting
  • net equity issuance
  • google stock sale

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • GOOGL
  • GOOG
  • Google

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