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Perhaps a Ballroom | Money Stuff: The Podcast

Money Stuff The Podcast · · Hosts: Matt Levine, Katie Greifeld

Perhaps a Ballroom | Money Stuff: The Podcast – Money Stuff The Podcast

Summary

The hosts start with the lost episode fiasco, then turn to Paramount’s $31-a-share agreement to buy Warner Bros. after Netflix walked away. The guest argues that Paramount’s aggressive all-cash bid, backed by Larry Ellison, is a rare case where a smaller company is borrowing heavily to swallow a larger one, and that the associated rights offering is a modest attempt to reduce the debt burden. The host pushes on the deal logic and the board’s duty, but the guest says Warner’s directors likely always had a price, and $31 was simply enough to overcome Netflix’s offer and Warner’s desire for certainty.

They also discuss why the transaction feels risky: it is likely the largest leveraged buyout ever, and that level of debt could force painful job cuts and other hard choices at the combined company. The conversation briefly touches on regulatory timing and political optics, but the main point is that Paramount’s deal discipline and Warner’s impatience collided in a way that made a highly leveraged outcome possible.

The second half shifts to private assets and liquidity. The hosts discuss Blackstone’s BCRED and similar semi-liquid private credit vehicles, where redemption requests forced the firm and some employees to contribute money so investors could be cashed out. They then examine Boaz Weinstein’s attempt to buy into the same space at a discount, and end with XOVR’s SpaceX exposure, where outflows can distort portfolio weights and expose the awkward mechanics of holding a private company inside an ETF.

Key takeaways

  • The guest says Paramount’s $31 bid for Warner Bros. worked because Warner had a price, not because the financing was comfortable.
  • The hosts note that the Paramount-Warner transaction could become the largest leveraged buyout ever, with roughly $79 billion of debt involved.
  • The guest says the rights offering is a small but meaningful way to reduce the debt load by selling about $3 billion of stock at the same terms as Larry Ellison.
  • The hosts argue that Blackstone’s BCRED redemptions show how demand for liquidity can force private-credit firms to lean on firm money and employee capital.
  • The guest says Boaz Weinstein’s tender offers are a trade on the rising value of liquidity, buying semi-liquid fund shares at about 75 cents on the dollar.
  • The hosts say XOVR’s SpaceX exposure highlights how an ETF can become distorted by outflows when its most desired holding is private and hard to move.

Notable quotes

“Paramount had bid $30 to buy Warner Brothers”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 3:28

“And so Paramount, which has a young, ambitious, arguably Nepo baby CEO”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 4:35

“the Paramount deal would be the largest leveraged buyout ever. And we have doubts that they can get it done”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 8:33

“rather than say no to anyone out, they let everyone get out”

— A speaker on Money Stuff The Podcast at 18:42

How the episode opens

Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news. — I feel like we should address why we were off air for 3 weeks. People asked me about it. So, — Really? No one asked me about it. — Well, — No one asked me about it. Why are we off?

I got questions. Well, you had a vacation, then I had a vacation, then we actually had an episode. We recorded I think I think everyone in this room would agree the greatest episode of the Money Love podcast in its history except when I say we recorded it I mean we performed but we accidentally did not record.

Yeah. So it'll never see the light of day. — We do I believe have your side of the audio which like I was joking we should do like a space ghost coast to coast thing where like we play your audio and I just say non sequators that set you up to say something weird in between your audio. But who has time for that?

I was also thinking like mystery science theater where like I say something and then you like you offer a snippy little comment and then I say something else and you just respond. — There were a lot of ways we could go with that audio.

Who has the time? — Yeah. Who has the time? — Not not us. No. So we apologize, dear listeners. — You're fine. — I'm sure it was I'm sure we all had a great couple of weeks. — Yeah. You know, everyone we got a vacation from this. They got a vacation from us.

It's fine. — I'm going away in a couple of weeks. So — I'm going to a conference and you're going to a conference.

From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →

Topics

  • m&a
  • rights offerings
  • lbo risk
  • deal discipline
  • liquidity premiums

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • PARA
  • BX
  • Paramount
  • Warner Bros. Discovery
  • Blackstone
  • Credit Suisse
  • SpaceX

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