Episode summary
Timeless Wisdom: A Mailbag Episode | Money Stuff: The Podcast
Money Stuff The Podcast
· · Hosts: Matt Levine, Katie Greifeld
Summary
This mailbag episode ranges widely across investing practice, but the recurring theme is that finance is as much about incentives and time as it is about returns. The hosts discuss why one of them keeps a financial adviser despite mostly holding index funds: not for stock-picking, but for tax planning, college savings, and general confirmation on big personal finance decisions. They also explain an awkward journalistic reason to avoid owning private credit funds while writing about them.
The conversation turns to favorite finance books and the ideas that stick from them. One favorite is a hedge fund interview collection that frames crisis investing as a problem of time management: in a downturn, correlations go to 100% and every position becomes a claim on limited attention. Another is AQR’s Expected Returns, which argues investors should ask why any asset deserves its expected return at all. They also discuss The Bond King as a story about both capital allocation and office politics, and Trading at the Speed of Light for its account of high-frequency trading, including the strange role of rain in creating liquidity.
Later, they answer questions about ESG, IPOs, and why corporate loans often have interest-only structures with balloon payments. The hosts argue that stock prices matter less as fundraising tools than as signals for compensation, M&A, and capital allocation, while corporate debt is shaped by growing earnings power and investor preference for refinancing over amortization.
Key takeaways
- The hosts say a financial adviser is mainly useful for taxes, college savings, and retirement planning, not for picking stocks.
- A favorite crisis-investing idea from Diary of a Very Bad Year is that every private investment also consumes time, which becomes scarce in a crisis.
- The hosts argue that ESG’s “G” often means shareholder-aligned governance, while employee perks can be good social or bad governance depending on who receives them.
- For public companies, stock price is described as a real-time signal for executive pay, M&A currency, debt capacity, and possible activist pressure.
- Corporate loans are often interest-only with a balloon payment because firms expect earnings to grow and investors prefer not to get paid back too early.
Notable quotes
“every time you do a private investment you're writing a call option on your own time”
“the question is like why are you getting paid? Why should you expect to get money for this investment”
“everything is seating charts”
“rain created liquidity”
“the public stock market is for returning capital to shareholders rather than raising capital for from shareholders”
How the episode opens
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news. — Should we talk about the fact that we're recording a mailbag? — We're recording a mailbag. — Mailbag. Not too tired to sing. — Yeah, we're going to release this sometime. I don't know, — May 8th. — Yeah, it's like the end of April now, but it's going to be it's going to be all Timeless Wisdom from the Money Stuff Podcast today. So, we can release this at any time.
That's true. On May 8th, I'll have just gotten back from the Milkin conference in Los Angeles. — Okay. So, if you're listening to this, Katie has returned from Milin, but — Yeah. — Hasn't had time to podcast this week. So, we're diving into the vault for some timeless wisdom.
Yeah. — Timeless wisdom. — We've got some good ones lined up. — Sure. Should we do the thing where I say, "Hello, and welcome to the Money Stuff Podcast." — You love doing that. So, do I? — Yeah. — Hello and welcome to the Money Stuff Podcast. I'm Matt Lavine and I wrote the money stuff column for Bloomberg Opinion.
And I'm Katie Grifeld, a reporter for Bloomberg News and an anchor for Bloomberg television. — All right, let's get into the mailbag. — Yeah. — Mailbag. — Mailbag. Pierre starting us off strong. You've put this disclosure in newsletters before or specifically one. Your disclosure read through a financial adviser. I have a small amount of money in a blue alund though I am not sure which one. Pierre wants to know why does Matt have a financial adviser? Does he read money stuff?
So, first of all, I want to address the fact that I do own a little bit of Blue Owl Credit Income Corp., which is a private BDC that — BZ Wine has not yet tendered for, but he said today he's thinking about tendering for it.
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Topics
- financial advisers
- private credit
- call options on time
- expected returns
- capital allocation
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