Episode summary
Lots More on the Seaborne Chaos Around the Strait of Hormuz | Odd Lots
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· · Hosts: Joe Weisenthal, Tracy Alloway · Guests: Anton Posner, Margo Brock
Summary
The discussion centers on the immediate shipping and insurance fallout from war around Iran and the Strait of Hormuz. The guests say the region matters far beyond oil: fertilizers, aluminum, raw materials for aluminum production, containerized goods, and inbound grains all move through it, and already the disruption is pushing up global aluminum prices and U.S. diesel costs. They argue that the biggest practical constraint is not just physical passage but whether cargoes and ships can still be insured at workable prices.
They explain that war-risk cover can be canceled on short notice and then reissued at much higher premiums, with offers for the add-on reportedly rising from about 0.05% of value to 0.5% to 1.5%. That creates a fight over who pays: ship owners, cargo interests, charterers, or counterparties in the contract chain. The guests also note that some shipments have no choice but to keep moving, while others can reroute around the Gulf, making the longer path safer but more expensive.
Looking ahead, they say the key variable is duration. A prolonged closure or threat could ripple through freight rates, fuel surcharges, and broader supply chains much like the post-COVID shipping bottlenecks, though they stress the scale is still uncertain. They also flag a possible U.S. government role as insurer or escort provider, while warning that any naval protection would be costly and risky.
Key takeaways
- The guests say the Strait of Hormuz disruption affects far more than oil, including aluminum, fertilizers, grains, and containerized goods.
- War-risk insurance can be canceled quickly and reissued at sharply higher rates, with quoted add-on premiums rising to 0.5% to 1.5% of cargo value.
- The core commercial question is who pays: ship owners, cargo owners, charterers, or insurers down the chain.
- Some cargoes can reroute around the region, but liquid cargoes and already-loaded ships may have no real alternative.
- The guests say the longer the disruption lasts, the more it could lift freight rates, fuel surcharges, and supply-chain costs broadly.
Notable quotes
“there's a lot more than just oil and gas that's affected when there's a problem in the region”
“what I'm being told is the current market is that where traditionally your premium, which is assessed on the value, the declared value of your goods”
“now you're going to buy at a significantly increased premium”
“The ship owner carries protection and indemnity insurance, hull insurance, those policies that cover the ship”
“the longer it goes, the more out of whack our system gets, the prices go up”
How the episode opens
There's a little bit of debate over Anton's own naval experience, but we can get into that. But Anton, you have some naval experience sort of. — You're teeing it up for Margot to make fun of me now because I was just a reservist. So, I fully embrace the fact that I do not have grand military experience. Okay. I served. I was in the reserves. I put on the uniform. I wish you could still fit, but
I heard you played a lot of tennis. I played tennis and rode to Spain, you know, on a NATO exercise. I'll have you know, Tracy, it was a it was a NATO military exercise and I don't think I was that
Your exercise was tennis — For your exercise. — By the way, I'd like to say that Perez de la Frontier was fantastic for wine and Sherry. So, you know, — Joe, I want a t-shirt that says ruthless utility maximizer. — Black gold.
Let's talk about losers. Who cares? — I've decided I'm going to base my entire personality going forward on campaigning for a strategic pork reserve in the US. — Skulls Unlimited. — Oo. What's the ticker for that? — No, I think that like in a couple years the AI will do a really good job of making the Outlaws podcast.
How do I get more popular and successful? — One day that person will have the mandate of heaven. We do have — The perfect guest. You're listening to Lots More, where we catch up with friends about what's going on right now.
Because even when Odd Lots is over, there's always lots more. — And we really do have the perfect guest. — I feel a little bit stupid.
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Topics
- oil prices
- strait of hormuz shipping
- maritime insurance rates
- logistics disruptions
- fertilizer supply constraints
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Mercury Group
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