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How Value Add Differs in PE vs VC | Julia Rees Toader

Superclusters The Emerging Lp Podcast · · Hosts: David Zhou · Guests: Julia Rees Toader

How Value Add Differs in PE vs VC | Julia Rees Toader – Superclusters The Emerging Lp Podcast

Summary

Julia Rees Toader argues that value creation changes materially across asset classes: in private equity, higher rates make leverage less effective, so operational improvement, margin expansion, and disciplined value creation matter more; in venture, by contrast, weak margins are often tolerated because the portfolio math is different. She also says venture investors need to be judged on how they help founders, not just on ownership or brand, because the best firms create access and relationships as much as capital.

A major theme is how Toader evaluates managers. She says track record is useful, but people matter most, especially for emerging managers and for strategies where history is still short. She looks for a combination of technical ability and social skill, and she says the first meeting often reveals whether a GP can actually build relationships, win over founders, and operate with humility. She also contrasts the zero tolerance of buyouts with venture’s acceptance of failures, arguing that portfolio construction and manager behavior should reflect that difference.

The conversation also covers fund structures and liquidity. Toader is positive on secondaries and says providers of liquidity tend to get paid, while continuation vehicles can be useful when handled fairly. She discusses GP stakes as a way for emerging managers to raise capital in a difficult fundraising environment, noting that families can be more flexible than institutions. Across the discussion, she returns to the idea that private markets are becoming more structurally creative as managers and allocators adapt to longer fund lives, higher rates, and more complex liquidity needs.

Key takeaways

  • Julia Rees Toader says private equity now depends more on operational improvement and margin expansion because higher rates make leverage less powerful.
  • Toader says venture investors should be judged on founder-friendliness and access, not just capital or track record.
  • She says her manager selection process prioritizes social skill plus technical skill, especially for emerging managers without long records.
  • Toader argues buyouts should have near-zero tolerance for failures, while venture must accept a meaningful share of portfolio companies going to zero.
  • She is bullish on secondaries and says liquidity providers are usually paid, though the hottest assets can command premiums.

Notable quotes

“I think a lot of people aren't. You know, a lot of people just don't do emerging managers”

— Julia Rees Toader at 23:39

“in venture, you know, I always ask what what percent of the portfolio do you expect to do to go to zero”

— Julia Rees Toader at 36:40

How the episode opens

People are worried about a negative selection bias and that's why more people aren't doing GP sticks. So the idea is if you're such a great GP, why would you even need any investment from the outside? But I think that that view I think it has merit, but what you're missing is just hard it is to raise a first fund.

Superclusters is where we demystify the secrets, stories, and tactics behind the money that moves the venture capital world. Julie Reese Tutor, but spelled T O A D E R is the founding partner of Princap, an investment firm investing across all asset classes working closely with families and institutions. Prior to that, she was the head of portfolio strategy and relationship management at Heritage Holdings, as well as the head of portfolio strategy at Goldman Sachs Asset Management, where she helped grow the organization from beyond the top 100 into the top 10 in the world.

You might know her from her frequent appearances at Davos, Bloomberg, among many others. But today we cover a wide array of topics. How Venture differs from other asset classes, the inner workings of GP staking, and what the hell is up with secondaries and continuity vehicles.

This is the first podcast we've spent as much time on the other asset classes as we do adventure, which to be fair are deeper waters than qualified to wait into. But if you learned as much as I did in this episode, please do let me know down in the comments. And without further ado, Julia Reese Jr.

Julia, welcome. welcome to this. And after Becca had put us in touch and our many fe past conversations, um I was like, you know what?

I' I've definitely got to have you on.

From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →

Topics

  • pe vs vc value add
  • operational improvement and margin expansion
  • secondaries and continuation vehicles
  • gp stakes in hedge funds
  • tax structuring as alpha

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • GS
  • PrinCap
  • Heritage Holdings
  • Goldman Sachs Asset Management

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