Episode summary
AI Can Change the World—and Still Crash the Market
The Acquirers Podcast
· · 32 min · Hosts: Tobias Carlisle, Jake Taylor
Summary
The hosts focused on whether the AI build-out is creating a genuine secular growth story or a classic late-cycle boom that can still break stock prices. They argued that hyperscalers are funding enormous capex with a mix of operating cash flow, debt, and now equity, which is already pressuring valuations and could make the spending less sustainable if financing costs stay high. They also discussed Anthropic’s reported losses, saying the scale is startling even if accounting treatments soften the headline number, and used that to underscore how capital-intensive the race is.
From an investing standpoint, they treated AI as both a real technological shift and a source of major market volatility. One host said the technology may be transformative for decades, but that does not prevent a drawdown in the biggest names, especially if chip demand cools or supply rises. They compared the moment to prior booms in housing and infrastructure, where strong earnings can later reverse when rates, competition, or capital costs change.
They also touched on the singularity, the impact of AI on jobs and productivity, the attractiveness of large platforms like Meta, Google, Amazon, and Netflix at current valuations, and why real assets such as REITs like VICI still matter in a world that may change fast but still needs energy, land, and cash-generating businesses.
Key takeaways
- The hosts think AI can remain a powerful secular trend while still producing a major stock market correction in the biggest beneficiaries.
- Rising financing costs are a key risk for hyperscalers, because capex is moving from operating cash flow and debt toward equity funding.
- Anthropic’s losses were described as startling, even if the headline $80 billion figure was partly driven by accounting treatment.
- The hosts view Meta, Google, Amazon, and even Netflix as increasingly interesting at current valuations if their growth assumptions hold.
- They argued that real assets and cash-flow businesses like VICI still matter because technological change does not eliminate the need for land, energy, and property income.
Notable quotes
“I think you have the stocks kind of selling off a bit because they know that that to finance this CapEx, you know, it's it's coming to equity now”
“I still think in the interim it's a it's so complex there's so much movement going on that it could easily be a sort of early 2000s type scenario”
“the big headline number is the $80 billion loss in the 6 months to”
“It's a Star Wars game right now. I mean, the the cash on the balance sheet was huge”
“I think that we've discussed some of those kind of ideas. Like I I had Tim uh Melvin on the podcast yesterday and he one of his one of the stocks that he likes is VICI Properties”
How the episode opens
This is the Value Options Letter. I'm Tobias Carlisle, joined as always by Tim Travis. How are you, Tim? — I'm good, Toby. How are you doing? — I'm well. Been a nice little run back to value and the rest of the market this month uh in October, just as we're coming up on the end of October. I think a little bit of maybe concern with uh the hyperscalers and the CapEx spend there. Um just interested to get your take on on that.
Yeah, it's interesting because uh you know, the financing was really done by their operating cash flows for quite some time. That's that's historically how they've been able to do it. They've also been able to buy back stock because they are such prodigious cash flow machines.
But because the CapEx expenditures are so large, I mean, we're talking hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars, the debt markets have gotten a lot more expensive. So, you know, long-term meta bonds or Oracle bonds might be, you know, 7% or 9% for Oracle. And then a company like CoreWeave uh is financing itself at like 15% in the debt markets.
Uh so, they've they've, you know, definitely been maxing out their debt capacities. They've been doing a lot of off-balance sheet financing uh vehicles, which, you know, uh are a whole 'nother matter. And then now with Google did it a while ago uh when Buffett bought into Google.
Buffett or Berkshire Berkshire bought into Google at about 330 when they did their large equity offering earlier in the year. And uh Meta now is is raising a lot of money. I mean, I think it's going to be close to a hundred billion dollars, if not more, when it's all said and done between this year and next year in equity.
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Topics
- ai business models
- options-income strategies
- value-first investing
- market valuations
- semiconductor cycles
Companies and tickers mentioned
- MU
- Micron Technology
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