Episode summary
Larry McDonald: A Lehman-Style Warning, a Fed That Can’t Hike & Gold and Silver Set to Run
The Julia La Roche Show
· · 38 min · Hosts: Julia La Roche · Guests: Larry McDonald
Summary
Larry McDonald argues that the recent choppy action in the Nasdaq, semiconductors, and high-yield credit is a warning sign rather than a healthy rotation. He says the only comparable stretches of price action came before COVID, Lehman, and 2022, and that some of the most bullish tech investors he knows are moving to the sidelines as off-balance-sheet AI financing gets harder to ignore. He also says wealthy families and macro investors are increasingly buying tail-risk protection.
A major theme is that passive investing has made the market more fragile. McDonald says trillions in boomer wealth and heavy passive ownership in names like Nvidia and Apple can turn inflows into violent outflows if sentiment shifts. He is especially bearish on Nvidia’s governance and financing role in AI, while calling Apple’s valuation “lunacy on roids” after money rotated there from Nvidia.
On policy, McDonald says the Fed cannot push rates much higher without triggering a credit event, and he expects the central bank to talk tough and then reverse by January. That view makes him bullish gold, silver, aluminum, and other hard assets, while he repeats that the S&P 500 could still fall 30% from the highs if the data-center and credit unwind deepens.
Key takeaways
- McDonald says the market is flashing pre-crisis price action, citing the Nasdaq, semis, staples, and high-yield credit as signs of stress.
- He believes passive ownership is the biggest underappreciated risk because boomers could turn years of inflows into outflows.
- He warns that Nvidia sits at the center of “off-balance-sheet” AI financing and could drag the broader tech complex lower.
- McDonald expects the Fed to stop short of an aggressive hiking cycle and pivot by January, which he sees as bullish for gold and silver.
- He favors hard assets and selected industrials like aluminum, while still expecting a possible 30% S&P 500 drawdown from the highs.
Notable quotes
“the people in the chat that were the most bullish tech um really have become far more bearish”
“the biggest risk is that the boomers, which have been big proponents of passive, like the guy at the country club bragging about his Nvidia or his Apple or his his his his mag 7”
“my bet is that they talk tough and then reverse by January. And that's really bullish for gold and silver”
How the episode opens
You know, the move into staples, the move into utilities, the move, look at the move in the high yield bond market, triple C's and just high yield itself breaking down, the move in the loan market. There's a lot of unhealthy price action that points to something under the surface that is is signaling, you know, bigger problems to come. Larry McDonald, founder of the Bear Traps Report and a New York Times bestselling author, author of A Colossal Failure of Common Sense and How to Listen When Markets Speak.
Great to see you again, Larry. Welcome back to the show.
Julia, it's been a crazy 10 days. Got a good time to be back. — It has been a crazy couple of weeks here and that's why I'm really thrilled to get you back on just to make sense of everything happening in the markets. And I would like to start there and just get your read on the setup today right now. What's been top of mind for you? Yeah, let's start there.
Okay. So remember what I try to do and really we work really hard at the bear trap support is through the dinners through the cage matches where we get the bulls and bears together and then through the um live Bloomberg chat we're having that conversation with chief investment officers and maybe 20 countries and it's like a golf club or a tennis club. If you've been in the club for one year, you don't really know.
You don't really know the members. But over time, over 10 to 15 years, you know who's strong in certain lanes. And I can tell you that the people in the chat that were the most bullish tech um really have become far more bearish and has a lot to do with the offbalance sheet financing and some of the games that are being played.
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Topics
- nasdaq selloff
- ai financing risk
- fed hiking outlook
- passive investing outflows
- gold and silver rally
Companies and tickers mentioned
- NVDA
- AAPL
- BAC
- GOOGL
- GOOG
- INTC
- Nvidia
- Apple
- Bank of America
- Intel
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