Episode summary
Michael Lewis: DOGE’s Young Men Led With Cruelty and Contempt
Summary
Michael Lewis argues that his new book, Blockers, is less about day-to-day politics than about a power grab: the Trump administration and DOGE tried to seize institutions, the congressional power of the purse, and the nonpartisan civil service. He says the civil servants he followed were unusually talented, deeply mission-driven people who were pushed out because they would not do illegal or partisan things.
Lewis describes DOGE’s young engineers as a tight, mostly white, mostly male cohort that led with “cruelty and contempt rather than curiosity.” He says they treated government like a startup, were loyal to Elon Musk, and often made reckless cuts without understanding the systems they were breaking. He highlights the IRS privacy fight over immigrants’ tax data and says DOGE’s actions caused real harm, including consequences for people in the U.S. and abroad.
The discussion also turns to prediction markets and sports betting, where Lewis says the industry is increasingly good at targeting vulnerable users and should be seen as shameful even if not banned. He closes on the personal note that his son has left for college, and says watching him flourish has made the transition easier.
Key takeaways
- Michael Lewis says Blockers frames DOGE as a power grab aimed at the federal civil service and Congress’s control of spending.
- Lewis says DOGE’s young engineers led with “cruelty and contempt,” and were less informed about government than the systems they were cutting.
- Lewis says the IRS privacy fight over undocumented workers’ tax returns showed how DOGE’s actions could have real-world consequences far beyond Washington.
- Lewis argues sports betting apps and prediction markets are increasingly predatory because they identify and monetize users at their weakest moments.
- Lewis says Elon Musk’s behavior in government made him question Musk’s management ability more broadly, including how his companies are run.
Notable quotes
“They led with cruelty and contempt rather than curiosity. They were sure they were the smartest person in the room before they entered the room”
“what was going on was a a radical seizure of powers for the president that the president normally didn't have”
“they couldn't take they wouldn't do things that were illegal. They wouldn't weaponize the government against the citizens, all that stuff”
“So, however bad you imagined Doge to be, like however irresponsible, however callous, however uninformed it was worse”
“the world's wealthiest man is killing the world's poorest people”
Topics
- doge and civil service cuts
- federal government privacy and immigration data
- elon musk leadership
- sports betting prediction markets
- gambling user targeting
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