Episode summary
Barry Ritholtz: How Not to Invest | Rational Reminder 421
The Rational Reminder Podcast
· · Hosts: Benjamin Felix · Guests: Barry Ritholtz
Summary
Barry Ritholtz argues that most investing errors come from overconfidence, bad information, and a refusal to think probabilistically. He says experts are often useful for context, history, and process, but they are usually terrible at forecasting markets, the economy, or turning points. He repeatedly returns to the idea that humility matters more than prediction, and that investors should focus on controllable factors like savings rate, asset allocation, fees, taxes, and behavior.
He also makes a strong case that modern media works against long-term investors. Social media, short-form video, and 24/7 financial news reward urgency, emotion, and specificity, while good advice is usually boring, probabilistic, and slow-moving. Barry says investors should lengthen their media time horizon, read books, vet sources, and be wary of anyone who sounds certain, emotional, or attached to a product or trade.
A large part of the discussion is about what actually drives returns. Barry emphasizes index investing, the power of compounding, the danger of concentration, and the fact that a small fraction of stocks drive most equity wealth creation. He frames good investing as avoiding self-inflicted mistakes, sticking with a plan through bull and bear markets, and accepting that the future is unknowable even when the odds can be managed.
Key takeaways
- Barry Ritholtz says experts are most useful for context and diagnosis, not for confident market forecasts.
- Barry argues that the best advice is humble and probabilistic, while bad advice is emotional, urgent, and self-confident.
- Barry says long-term investors should pay less attention to 24/7 news and more attention to books, trusted sources, and their own process.
- Barry emphasizes that index investing works because a tiny share of stocks drives most long-run equity wealth creation.
- Barry says concentration, fees, taxes, and behavior are more dangerous to returns than missing the next prediction.
Notable quotes
“The best advice tends to be both humble and probabilistic. In other words, "Hey, I don't really know for sure what happens, but here's how I see the various outcomes and the odds around each”
“investing is the art of using imperfect information to make probabilistic assessments about an inherently unknowable world”
“you have to focus on all the things that you can control. You can control your savings rate. You can control your asset allocation”
“All models are wrong, but some are useful”
“you just have to not get in your own way”
How the episode opens
This is the Rational Reminder podcast, a weekly reality check on sensible investing and financial decision-making from two Canadians. We're hosted by me, Benjamin Felix, Chief Investment Officer, and Cameron Passmore, Chief Executive Officer at PWL Capital.
Welcome to episode 421. And Ben, it was seven, almost seven years ago that you and I packed up our backpacks full of the recording gear and went off to New York City to interview Barry Ritholtz because of course back then you could only interview guests face-to-face. So, we reached out to Barry.
We knew Barry through conferences and just by reputation and he was kind enough to welcome us into his New York City office and we recorded an interview with him. That was episode 57 back in August of 2019. So, the pod was barely a year old at that point or just a year old at that point.
And we got a chance to meet Barry and today we welcome Barry Ritholtz back to the pod to talk about his most recent book How not to invest. Now, Barry's been around a long time. Founder of Ritholtz Wealth Management, which is a very well-known, pretty high-profile, certainly from their media and content that they they create in uh in out of New York City, but they're now a a national firm.
And we've gotten to know a bunch of their team over the years. Like, we've had over the years, his his partner Josh Brown's been on.
Like, Julie's been on. Like, Ben Carlson's been on. Yeah, we've had — Ben Carlson, so good group of people. Barry's always so so gracious and generous with us. We've seen him at many conferences. He's always super friendly and interesting and good guy, so kudos to getting him back on the pod, Ben.
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Topics
- bad financial advice
- market forecasting
- index investing
- behavioral biases
- portfolio risk and concentration
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