Episode summary
AI Has a Power Problem: Why the U.S. Power Grid Can't Keep Up | The Real Eisman Playbook Ep 69
The Real Eisman Playbook
· · 49 min · Hosts: Steve Eisman · Guests: Ben Kallo
Summary
The discussion centered on AI’s most overlooked bottleneck: power. Ben Kallo argued that the U.S. grid is facing a multi-year buildout problem driven by data centers, onshoring, aging infrastructure, and broader electrification, with roughly 30 gigawatts of new capacity needed per year over the next five years. He said the real constraint is not just generation, but also interconnects, transformers, labor, and permitting.
Kallo’s most constructive idea was GE Vernova, which he said benefits from strong demand for gas turbines, grid equipment, and a nuclear option that could matter later in the decade. He said the company is booked out into 2030/2031 in parts of its power business and has visibility well into the 2030s. He also highlighted Tesla’s energy storage business as a meaningful profit contributor, even though he agreed the auto-only stock would be overvalued.
On EVs, Kallo said sales are still growing overall, with China strongest, Europe second, and the U.S. lagging. He was skeptical on Lucid, more positive on Rivian, and wary of solar because of tariff uncertainty, even as he expects first solar names to remain levered to policy outcomes. He also argued that a SpaceX-Tesla combination could make strategic and capital-raising sense, though the idea would create a far more complex company.
Key takeaways
- Kallo says the U.S. needs about 30 gigawatts of new power capacity per year over the next five years, making power the key AI bottleneck.
- He likes GE Vernova because its gas turbine and grid businesses are sold out far into the 2030s, with nuclear as a longer-dated upside.
- Kallo thinks Tesla is only attractive because of autonomous driving and energy storage; he agreed the stock would be too expensive on EVs alone.
- He sees EV demand as still growing globally, but says China leads, Europe is under pressure, and U.S. Tesla sales are flat to down.
- He is cautious on solar because tariffs and policy uncertainty make it hard for companies like First Solar to price and book business.
Notable quotes
“the binding constraint clearly is both the construction of data centers and the power that the data centers require”
“if the only business that Tesla had was the electronic vehicle business, the stock's way overvalued? Yes”
“20% of their operating income comes from the energy business”
How the episode opens
Hey, this is Steve Eisman and welcome to another episode of the real Eisman playbook. So today we are going to talk about sustainable energy and mobility and you know a couple weeks ago we had Stacy Rasgen on from Bernstein and we were joking that I was joking with him that his group semiconductors is the center of the universe. our guest today, Ben Kell of Baird.
I don't know if it's the center of the universe, but it's certainly adjacent. And the reason is that if this AI story is going to come to fruition, the binding constraint clearly is both the construction of data centers and the power that the data centers require. And Ben covers a real hodgepodge of companies that deal with those issues.
And he also covers electronic vehicles. and we're going to explore those companies and we're going to do it in depth and then afterwards I'll come back with some lessons learned. Hi, this is Steve Eisman and this is another episode of the real Eisman playbook.
So if the center of the universe is semiconductors and Nvidia and maybe hyperscalers, although that's debatable right now, the next circle would be what I would call a hodgepodge of companies that provide alternative energy energy to data centers that also do electronic vehicles. So call it center of the universe once removed. And today to explore this really interesting group, we have Ben Callow who is the sustainable energy and mobility analyst at Bair.
Yes, thanks for having me on. — Yeah, it's this is going to be very interesting. So before we dig down into like the themes and companies because you really cover a hodgepodge of different companies. — I mean you cover Tesla, you cover Genova. The two really don't have much to do with one another other than that you cover them.
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Topics
- ai power demand
- power grid capacity
- data centers
- nuclear power
- energy storage
Companies and tickers mentioned
- GEV
- TSLA
- Baird
- GE Vernova
- Tesla
- SpaceX
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