Episode summary
The Iran War is Masking Economic Problems: Why Housing is So Expensive | The Weekly Wrap
The Real Eisman Playbook
· · Hosts: Steve Eisman · Guests: Phillippe Lord
Summary
Steve Eisman argues that the Iran war is dominating markets and masking deeper risks, including a tightening private-credit environment that he says could mark the start of a credit cycle. He points to redemption pressure at Apollo Debt Solutions and Aries, a Moody’s downgrade tied to rising non-accruals at a KKR and Future Standard fund, and Barclays’ pullback from small-borrower lending as signs that lenders are getting more cautious.
The interview with Meritage Homes CEO Phillippe Lord focuses on why U.S. housing remains so unaffordable. Lord says the key drivers are land costs, rising vertical construction costs, and labor constraints, but he places the most blame on local regulation, which he says adds huge per-lot fees and often forces builders to deliver larger, more expensive homes than the market needs. He says Meritage targets entry-level buyers with an average selling price just under $400,000, with regional differences driven mostly by land.
Eisman ends by framing Meritage as a profitable, underappreciated builder trading below tangible book value, with upside if rates fall and if the company improves capital efficiency and moves closer to an optioned-land model.
Key takeaways
- Eisman says the Iran conflict is dominating trading and keeping markets headline-driven while hopes for a peaceful resolution fade.
- He sees Apollo, Aries, and the KKR/Future Standard downgrade as evidence that private credit is entering a credit cycle.
- Phillippe Lord says housing affordability is being crushed mostly by local regulatory land costs, not just rates or materials.
- Lord says Meritage’s average selling price was just under $400,000 companywide, with California closer to the mid-$500,000s and Alabama around $300,000.
- Eisman argues Meritage is undervalued below tangible book value and could rerate if rates ease and returns improve.
Notable quotes
“These patterns signal the beginning of a credit cycle. This is what it looks like”
“The reason affordability is so problematic in our country is because local regulatory bodies have no incentive or motivation to help us to bring land to the market in an affordable way”
“the biggest biggest biggest cost is local regulations and how much they have increased the cost of land”
“our goal is to get somewhere closer to that 17-2 multiple that those big guys get when things are good”
How the episode opens
Right now, the only thing the markets care about is the war in Iran, and the news on the war keeps moving at a fast and furious pace. Hopes for a peaceful resolution seem to be fading. Another week, more bad news for private credit, and this process can lead to a recession.
We are now going to show an interview I did with the CEO of a home builder, Meritage Homes. What are the major costs that prevent homebuilders from delivering, you think, homes at a lower price? The reason affordability is so problematic in our country is because local regulatory bodies have no incentive or motivation to help us to bring land to the market in an affordable way.
It's been happening for decades, but it's gotten worse and worse and worse, and there's been no solution to it. Hi, this is Steve Eisman and this is another edition of the weekly rap. This is for the week ending March 27 but recorded Thursday night, March 26.
In this week's rap, we will discuss one, the latest on the war in Iran. Two, more news on private credit. And three, we will then cut to an interview with the CEO of Meritage Homes, symbol MTH, a stock I recommended earlier this year.
Right now, the only thing the markets care about is the war in Iran. And the news on the war keeps moving at a fast and furious pace. Monday morning, futures were down 100 basis points.
But then President Trump announced that he was postponing the bombing of Iranian energy infrastructure for 5 days because the US and Iran are talking. Futures soared. At one point on Monday, the market was up over 200 basis points.
However, the Iranians denied that there were any talks at all and the market sold off some.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- iran war updates
- private credit
- credit cycle
- housing affordability
- meritage homes
Companies and tickers mentioned
- MTH
- Meritage Homes
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